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Which systems is best?

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#29297From: Dave GouldApr 22, 1993 9:39 AM
I am just getting involved in the Amiga and am getting ready to drop about $5k on a system for DTV. Could anyone please give me their thought about: DCTV vs. Opal vs. Toaster As well I am leaning toward the Toaster package, but need to know if I am better off with an A2000 or an A3000? Thank you very much in advance, Dave Gould
#29298From: Ron LegroApr 22, 1993 12:23 PM
We need to know more. Which system you buy depends on what your needs and priorities are. E.g., are you going to edit video? Do 3-D animations for video? Character generation? Special effects? How high-end will your work be? Amateur, prosumer or professional? Each unit you mentioned has its merits and drawbacks. If you buy a Toaster, an A2000 is cheaper at the outset because you don't need a Toaster Cozzy or a nasty hack-out modification to the 3000's case (which otherwise is just a bit too narrow to accomodate the Toaster card). But you will want to accelerate an ordinary A2000 and that will add some bucks. The Toaster Cozzy avoids the tight-fit problem in a 3000 by letting the Toaster reside in a small separate case. A3000s are rock cheap now and offer certain advantages like an '030 (faster) processor, sizeable hard drive and more memory out of the box, and built-in anti-flicker software. So the cost of the needed Cozzy might be worth it. On the other hand, they have fewer open slots than an A2000. You must think ahead and consider your expansion plans. Music card? RAM card? Extra serial or parallel ports? Bridgeboard or Macintosh emulator? Etc.
#29492From: Dave GouldApr 26, 1993 6:21 AM
Thanks for the reply, I plan to do performance video, I am a musician and have a professional background in photography. I plan to use all aspects of the Toaster that you described. I realize that the 2000 needs to accelerated to run the Toaster, but you have brought up a point about planning ahead which is important. I also require the following peripherals, Bridgeboard modem, printer, and scanner something that can read or generate SMPTE(is that in the Toaster) and I would like to leave the option open to MIDI (if that's seperate, I had thoughad thought that was internal). The main purpose is to run Toaster. Dave
#29519From: Ron LegroApr 26, 1993 11:22 PM
Get an external (vs. internal) modem; you'll be happier. There are cards with extra serial ports/parallel ports if you end up needing them as you may with the Toaster. Bridgeboards are rock cheap now! A 286 is 99 bucks, a 386 is 200 bucks. That includes MS-DOS, memory, drive, manuals, Janus software (to allow intercommunication with the Amiga OS and peripherals). But I think the prices will be going up again soon. 486 boards are still expensive, but you can upgrade a 386 later. Amigas come standard with 8-bit sound (soon to be upgraded) but don't come with MIDI interfaces; adding a good one, however, is cheap. There are numerous quality audio digitzers, too. Anything by Blue Ribbon Soundworks — hardware or software — will set you on your ear musically. They have a great sound engine card based on the Proteus chip for about $600 that includes over a hundred digitized sound samples. Their Bars 'N Pipes Pro and Superjam are excellent music composition tools, handling SMPTE, MIDI, you name it. The Bars 'N Pipes package includes hooks to integrate your music into multimedia productions, complete with time code. The absolutely best sound cards for the Amiga are by Sunrize, which offers 12-bit and 16-bit models with all sorts of bells and whistles — even on-screen VU meters! Not cheap, though. I think all this stuff works well with the Toaster, but I haven't used much of it myself. Get yourself a subscription to Video Toaster User magazine for the big lowdown. No, the Toaster doesn't handle audio; the Amiga handles it. But since the Amiga can easily multitask, anything else running on the system should be able to talk to the Toaster and work with it, if it's written correctly. Lots of third-party Toaster add-ons of this sort. The A4000 series computers (and maybe 3000s) shortly are to offer a plug-in digital signal processor (probably a high-end AT&T model) that could serve to do a lot of audio manipulation, among other duties. The DSP will be the basis for the upgraded Amiga internal sound routines and should be accessible by third-party software, too. There are mouseable and flat-bed B&W and color scanners for the Amiga with OCR options; not as many choices as on PCs, but the quality is tops. The image enhancement software is top notch; Art Department Pro. Image Professional and ImageFX are the three leading products in that category. Also, you can opt for slow-scan and real-time video digitizers or framegrabbers. Scanners are better for 2-D stuff, generally. Amigas will work with most any IBM-compatible printer such as the HP Deskjet and Laserjet series, Postscript lasers, etc. The Epson Action Laser and Oki 400 are two fine laser printers that come cheap; the Deskjet and Canon Bubblejet are widely used inkjets. All Amigas take a standard parallel or serial interface. The OS comes with printer drivers for your particular printer, which all software can write to. There are enhanced third-party printer drivers, too, including Postscript interpreters. Finally, big news! The Toaster 3.0 and Toaster 4000 were announced last week. They're identical, except the latter works in the new AGA-based Amigas (built-in 16.7-million RGB analog palette). Many new features and special effects. No reason now not to buy an A4000 if you're just getting into the Toaster; it's the best platform going.
#29549From: Peter GreciApr 27, 1993 6:00 PM
For SMPTE reader/Generator look to Horita. They make inexpensive Standalone units for approx $500 that will also allow you to do a "Window Dub"
#29598From: Bryan LauasApr 28, 1993 10:25 PM
Sunrize has a software SMPTE reader/generator for about $240. It reads/writes in most formats including the elusive 29.97 … sends LTC out the Amiga audio out jack.
#29300From: JERRY HATCHETTApr 22, 1993 1:12 PM
Dave, You're best off with an A4000, and the brand new Toaster 4.0 that's coming out next month….. Sounds like it's gonna leave the rest of 'em in the dust!!! Jerry
#29305From: Erik FlomApr 22, 1993 1:46 PM
Uh, call NewTek at 1-800-368-5441, and ask about the NEW Toaster for the A4000 that was JUST announced THIS WEEK! I think this might be what you're looking for. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom
#29320From: Peter GreciApr 22, 1993 5:33 PM
From ALL Reports from NAB the NEW Toaster for the A4000 is the one to get, it allows 24 FPS and or 30 FPS playback of HAM8 Psuedo 24 bit Anims as well as Lotsa other Niceties like a new version of Lightwave 3D. $5000 is about right for the new Toaster and a A4000 too. Good Luck in thy Endeavors from Midgard Graphics <Prosciutto and Mozzarella Sandwich inside>
#29511From: Anthony RamirezApr 26, 1993 6:40 PM
>From ALL Reports from NAB the NEW Toaster for the A4000 is the one to >get, it allows 24 FPS and or 30 FPS playback of HAM8 Psuedo 24 bit Anims >as well as Lotsa other Niceties like a new version of Lightwave 3D. Where did you hear that it played back the anims as HAM8? Mark Thopmson has said that they playback FULL 24-bit files thru the use of compression. He isn't sure which method but does know that they aren't using MPEG or JPEG, he did mention IFS but he isn't sure yet. <<< Tony D. Tracer >>>
#29513From: Erik FlomApr 26, 1993 7:04 PM
If they're using IFS, I'D be surprised . . . I have confirmed with NewTek sales over the phone that it IS INDEED HAM8 animation. The Toaster alone cannot play back full 24-bit animations in real-time. (Too bad, too. I was hoping to have finally found the 'holy grail' of animation, but I guess I'll still have to buy more hardware for true broadcast quality animation. Waaah. :^( Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom
#29529From: Paul ToalApr 27, 1993 12:52 AM
Toaster 4000 plays back Lightwave anims in a HAM8 configuration. It does this through the switcher. It takes the switcher 1.8 seconds to show a single 24 bit frame. –Paul < Motorola Inside >
#29701From: Anthony RamirezMay 2, 1993 12:08 AM
>Toaster 4000 plays back Lightwave anims in a HAM8 configuration. I now know that this is true. I was basing my comment on what Mark Thompsom had posted and he had mentioned some type of compression as oppssed to HAM8. He must have been wrong. <<< Tony D. Tracer >>>
#29550From: Peter GreciApr 27, 1993 6:00 PM
I may well have Imagined or ASSUMED it used Ham8. My Brain doesn't function as well as it used to hehehehehe. Just read a msg By Erik Flom, saying he called NewTek and they Confirmed that it was HAM8 ythat allows the Playback. For the life of me I can't recall where I read that it used Ham8, I may have been told that when I called Newtek to be added to the Mailing List. BTW Newtek is going to be here in Long Island next Week showing the New Toaster. They will have a show at the Sheraton in NYC for 2 days, when I called the Folks at Amigo essentially Said "OH NO ANOTHER TOASTER CALLER" and they were Sorry that all tickets for the Sheraton Showing were gone but Newtek Graciously offered to do Demo's the day AFTER the Show (Friday May 7) at Amigo Business Machines Store in Long Island. This is by Reservation ONLY as far as I know. I recieved 2 Postcards from Amigo about this.
#29679From: Chris GentschMay 1, 1993 4:23 AM
I saw the toaster4000 doing its anim thing at NAB. I stood there thinking I may never single frame to betaSP again. It looked great to me. Sure, there may be some purist 24 bit single framing needed for some applications – and those I would continue to transcode from RGB to component anyway and not use the toaster for output. But if NTSC out of the toaster is ok for an application, then I don't think that any artifacts in HAM8 are going to show.
#29689From: Erik FlomMay 1, 1993 12:49 PM
Thanks for the input! The more I think about the new 4000, the more I come to agree with your opinion. I still haven't seen HAM8 in operation, but MY high end customers are trying to get away from composite NTSC, and I begin to realize that my 'composite NTSC' clients would probably be very happy with HAM8 animations. (Gosh, I could even DELIVER animations in HAM8 ANIM format . . .:^) Thanks for re-affirming my assumptions. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom
#29730From: Peter GreciMay 3, 1993 7:01 PM
Thanx for the info Chris, I appreciate it.
#29702From: Anthony RamirezMay 2, 1993 12:09 AM
>I may well have Imagined or ASSUMED it used Ham8. If you did assumed then you would have been right. >Newtek Graciously offered to do Demo's the day AFTER the Show (Friday May >7) at Amigo Business Machines Store in Long Island. If you are able to go then you are a lucky person, I just got to see a tape of a local Toaster dealer who when to NAB and `shook' his camcorder all around the place. <<< Tony D. Tracer >>>