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ParNet

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#96477From: Bill ReevesApr 21, 1993 8:14 AM
Thie issue of Amazing Computer makes reference to "ParNet". What is that? It doesn't appear to be listed in the winter AC catalog. I gather that it is some form of network for Amigas, but want to know more details. Thanks to any responders..especially those who have experience with the item. Bill
#96489From: Chris N.JulsonApr 21, 1993 10:50 AM
Bill, In the AVG (amiga video/graphics) mag current issue #3 there is an article on networking, with several options discussed. Parnet is one of them. You can only netwk 2 amigas, and this is done via the parallel port, you will have to build a special cable, but the cost is minimal. The prgm and docs are in AmigaUser libr (Utilities I believe). It works well, I just finished setting it up last nite. I can access the HD on my A3000 from the A600 and access the A600 Hd from the 3000. Great for quick transfer of files or loading programs. Hope, this helps. Chris——>on AP
#96493From: Bill ReevesApr 21, 1993 11:12 AM
Chris, Thanks for the reply. I will check for the magazine and will also download the software. I didn't think to check in the file index. Bill
#96497From: Chris N.JulsonApr 21, 1993 11:51 AM
Bill, Geeze…. fast response. Anyway, you'll find it in AmigaTech forum, not here in User. It is in Lib 11 system util Pnet24.lzh. Hope this helps. CJ
#97213From: Scott HarrisApr 25, 1993 7:53 PM
Do both Amigas need to have hard drives for ParNet to work? Or is it possible to have one machine with HD, and have the other access that machine's HD via ParNet while itself only having a boot floppy (or maybe two floppy drives)? Also, is there a pass-through for connecting a parallel printer to one of the systems? Or are you better off connecting a printer to the serial port? ===Scott
#97308From: Chris N.JulsonApr 26, 1993 10:44 AM
Scott, Yes, you can have a 1 HD setup and 1 Floppy setup. No, you can't use the parallel port for anything else, during parnet operation. CJ
#96869From: Ronald B. RomineApr 23, 1993 4:01 AM
I've been using a ParNET for about a month. After using an A500 for a couple of years I decided to upgrade to a A1200. The A500 had AmigaDOS-2.1, 120MB HardDrive, and 6-megs of RAM. When I purchasd the A1200, I kept the A500 setup, but couldn't afford a new HD or more RAM. Instead, I got the ParNET cable. The ParNET allows two Amigas to access each others devices, using special software, and a modified parallel cable. I plugged in the ParNET cable connecting the parallel port of both Amigas, I then ran the install software on each machine. The A500, is set to be the "Host", and the A1200 the "client". Having 2.1 on the A500, and 3.0 on the A1200, I use the WBStartup drawer to mount the ParNET at bootup. The ParNET installs a "NET:" device on each Amiga. The "NET:" is displayed on the Workbench as a "disk" icon named "Network". By clicking on the icon it opens and displays the Floppy, Hard, & RAM drives of the other Amiga is drawers icons. Byt opening the drawers you can access the files of the other Amiga. On the A500, I would access a JR-Comm with: DH2:Telcom/JR-Comm On the A1200, I can access and run the same file on the A1200 with: NET:dh2/Telcom/JR-Comm. Not only can the A1200 access the A500's drives, the A500 can access the A1200 drives. I could be running a A1200 program off the A500's HD, while my brother is reading a file from my RAM-disk. Ron. – ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasles aren't sucked into jet engines.)
#96894From: Paul IdolApr 23, 1993 12:03 PM
How does this work if one machine is the host? If the 500 can access the 1200 as though it (the 1200) was the host, does that mean they're both like hosts, or are there differences? Also, is the parallel cable just a regular bi-directional parallel cable, or something proprietary? I've got to get this, anyway – I could use my A500 again! But where is it? I couldn't find it. Waaaaahhhhh! Paul
#97018From: Ronald B. RomineApr 24, 1993 6:58 AM
PI: How does this work if one machine is the host? If the 500 can access the 1200 as though it (the 1200) was the host, does that mean they're both like hosts, or are there differences? The same ParNet software is run on both machines including the parnet.device, netpnet-handler, mouse-handler, and scripts. But one system is mounted as "NETPNET-SERVER UNIT 1", while the other is "NETPNET-SERVER UNIT 0". Each computer can access the other system's devices — as if the other computer were an intelligent peripheral named "NET", with the other's devices (RAM-disk, floppies, HD) being subdirectories of NET. — PI: Also, is the parallel cable just a regular bi-directional parallel cable, or something proprietary? Its not an off the shelf parallel cable. It is a custom cable, but not proprietary. Most pins are pasted thru, with two of the lines bridged. Also, the lines that are not suppose to be connected are removed. Docs were included to create the cable, or convert a standard pre-made parallel cable into the custom cable. — PI: I've got to get this, anyway – I could use my A500 again! But where is it? I couldn't find it. I got the software from my local Amiga dealer. Someone in their repair shop made the cable for me. Ron. – ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasles aren't sucked into jet engines.)
#97064From: Tom JonesApr 24, 1993 7:09 PM
Hi Ron I also think Parnet is the neatest thing since sliced bread, but there is a caveat on using two systems to exchange data both ways which you may have noticed. There is no steering control hardware or protocal to ensure they don't both try to use the cable simultaneously, as there should be in a true LAN network. With a little more work ParNet could be a cheaper-net for our amigas in truth. As it is now it is still a great introduction to the coming rush to network the world together, from mainframes to vest pocket PC's that radio to the nearest desktop to exchange the latest news whenever one comes into range. It will be an exciting decade. Tom
#97073From: Jonathan BlackwellApr 24, 1993 7:40 PM
I guess if I ever want to run PARNET, I have to give up easy access to my printer? -Jonathan
#97090From: Paul IdolApr 24, 1993 7:57 PM
What about a parallel port switch-box? Paul
#97126From: Jonathan BlackwellApr 25, 1993 1:11 AM
In other words, I lose network connectivity or my printer. What if I want to print something that is accessed on the 'other' computer? -Jonathan
#97232From: Paul IdolApr 25, 1993 9:55 PM
It's not a perfect world. There should (ideologically, not realistically) be a solution. But I don't have the product yet (can't wait, parallel problem notwithstanding, to get it) so I couldn't tell you for sure. I guess worst case you could copy the file to the computer that has the printer, then switch the switchbox and print it – stupid, but a workaround. Paul
#97271From: Jonathan BlackwellApr 26, 1993 12:43 AM
Well, PARNET is a cheap (almost free) solution so I am not going to complain. There are commercial peer to peer solutions so it's not a big deal. When a PARNET network goes down, you gotta reboot so if you print, you have to reboot to establish a net again.. 🙁 -Jonathan
#97222From: Ronald B. RomineApr 25, 1993 8:53 PM
JB: I guess if I ever want to run PARNET, I have to give up easy access to my printer? Yes, unless you connect your printer to the serial port. Ron. – ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasles aren't sucked into jet engines.)
#97259From: Jonathan BlackwellApr 26, 1993 12:14 AM
OK, I can connect my printer to my serial port, but then I lose my faxmodem! Soooo… I guess PARNET will not let me use my modem, postscript printer and network functionality. That is VERY limiting. I have been reading on Genie about a new product being developed called AstralNet.. Anyone have any detailed technical info??? -Jonathan
#97402From: Ronald B. RomineApr 27, 1993 5:10 AM
I was going to ask "how often do you use the printer & modem at the same time", but then realized you said FAXmodem. Without additional hardware, I've thought of using a switchbox for the serial port, allowing me to use either the modem or serial printer. I doubt a parallel switchbox would work, as the ParNET is an active device. If your computer has two parallel ports (via hack or expansion card), it might be possible to use one for the printer, and the other for the parnet. The old caveat is "you get what you pay for." With ParNET you get an almost free peer-to-peer network for free, except for the price of the standard parallel port. You might count the cable, but the instructions for building it are on the disk. Ron. – ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasles aren't sucked into jet engines.)
#97479From: Paul IdolApr 27, 1993 7:35 PM
What do you mean active device? Packet info is constantly being sent back and forth so an interruption – as with a switchbox being switched – would cause problems? That's unfortunate. Paul
#97533From: Ronald B. RomineApr 28, 1993 1:34 AM
PI: What do you mean active device? With my setup: I run FCII on the A1200, off the A500HD across the ParNET cable using the parallel port. I *assumed* that I would have problems reading a document file over the parnet/parallel port, and at the same time try to print it over the same parallel port to a printer — even using a switchbox. I assumed that at any given moment that the system would find one or the other (parnet or parallel printer) offline, if I used a switchbox. The parnet is not constantly being accessed (as far as I can tell), but in some cases (printing file from parnet:dh1) it may need repeated accesses. If I were to use a serial printer, I think it would solve this problem, allowing the system to access both at the same time. Ron. – ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasles aren't sucked into jet engines.)
#97518From: Jonathan BlackwellApr 28, 1993 12:19 AM
I'm not going to complain about PARNET.. It is a cheap solution. I think I would be better off with real Ethernet cards and a 3rd party peer to peer solution. -Jonathan
#97450From: Peter JonesApr 27, 1993 2:35 PM
Jonathan, Hold on! If you are using PARNET then you have two Amigas …. and therefore two serial ports. I am using PARNET and intend to use my HP550C on the serial port of my 3000 (as soon as I can get hold of the appropriate cable) and my ZOOM FaxModem on the serial port of my A2500. The only thing I am sacrificing is a bit of speed between Amiga and printer, and I might not even notice that. Pete Jones, Brussels, Belgium, flying on AutoPilot
#97519From: Jonathan BlackwellApr 28, 1993 12:19 AM
That's just it… I have a Postscript printer and the speed differences between parellel and serial devices is enormous. I'm just gonna have to get regular ethernet cards and some third party peer to peer solution. -Jonathan
#97738From: Peter JonesApr 29, 1993 3:30 PM
Gotcha!. Supplementary question, though. How does Apple get over the speed differences? I have friends with PS laser printers and I don't hear them complaining. Pete Jones, Brussels, Belgium, flying on AutoPilot
#97794From: Jonathan BlackwellApr 30, 1993 12:06 AM
Laser printers on AppleTalk have serial communication at 57k baud. The best normal serial communication can do is 19.2k and most printers max out at 9600. -Jonathan
#97349From: Robert WilcoxApr 26, 1993 7:41 PM
Multiple serial and paralell port are rather common on PCs. Seems like CA should give this some thought too.
#97403From: Ronald B. RomineApr 27, 1993 5:10 AM
RW: Multiple serial and paralell port are rather common on PCs. Seems like CA should give this some thought too. You can have multiple serial & parallel ports on the Amiga. Just like everyone else, you buy a card that offers them. Ron. – ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasles aren't sucked into jet engines.)
#97768From: Robert WilcoxApr 29, 1993 8:15 PM
PCs are often packaged with multiple ports -some by dealers and others at the factory. The third party addons are rather expensive for Amigas and I am not sure they are availble for all models.
#97446From: Wolf FaustApr 27, 1993 2:24 PM
Have a look at the arXon switchbox for parnet and a printer driver that supports the arXon switch box. Using the arXon switchbox, the Amiga printer driver automaticly switches the arXon switchbox to the printer and back to the net. So far, all my printer drivers (Studio, Canon, HP, Seikosha, Panasonic) support the switchbox. In case you have a rare printer, you can use ARexx or CLI to switch the box automaticly for printing. The arXon switchbox is very fast and even allows you to connect video hardware and such critical things… Here some info from my driver manual (oupps price is ~US$ 120): All drivers support the arXon parallel switch-box, an external 1 to 3 Centronics switch controllable by software. You can ask the printer driver to automatically switch to the required port for printing, and switch back to the previously used port after printing. This enables you to use a scanner, a digitizer and a printer from your Amiga's parallel port without having to switch between the devices manually. If you specify Default as the port, no switching will take place. Information about the arXon switch-box may be obtained from: arXon GmbH Assenheimer Str. 17 D-W-6000 Frankfurt Germany Tel: (++49)-69-7896891 Fax: (++49)-69-7896878 — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 6000 Frankfurt 50, Germany —
#97076From: Paul IdolApr 24, 1993 7:41 PM
Excellent. Thanks for the info. Paul
#97097From: Jim SteeleApr 24, 1993 9:19 PM
I've been fooling around with PARNET at the store for the last few days. It's a pretty nifty piece of work. One of the local people brought me a disk called "Parbench" which I think was shipped with CDTV. It has a INSTALLER script which makes setting up parnet a snap. All you have to do is edit the drive config file. The scripts didn't work under 1.3 though. What really amazed me was that it worked with our Toaster system. I had a 1200 netted to the Toaster and used Lightwave to render frames to the 1200's HD. I really expected the whole thing to crash & burn. Too bad that the 1200 didn't have expansion ram, I couldn't get REND24 to convert those frames to HAM8…. which was the whole idea. Jim
#97020From: Chris N.JulsonApr 24, 1993 7:54 AM
Paul, It is in AmigaTech forum lib 11 system utilities, Pnet24.lzh. All info including cable docs are there. CJ
#97077From: Paul IdolApr 24, 1993 7:41 PM
That's good. Will download soon – once I get a newer faster modem, anyway. Thanks. Paul
#97034From: Steve MottoApr 24, 1993 1:42 PM
Paul, It sounds like PARNET sets up what is known as a "peer-to-peer" type network between the two machines. This is quite a popular type of network scheme for small groups; in the PC world, Lantastic and Novell Lite are very much used, as is Windoze for Workgroups. // \X/ Amiga -Steve ——> On AutoPilot from Silicon Valley