#OOps…no more DXF
8 messages in this thread
PREVIOUS MSG FROM BRIAN:
<<Dennis,
<<You can post your DXF related questions in the AutoCAD forum, GO <<ACAD. We
are not really involved with that over here in ASOFT.
<<-Brian
HELLO??
Brian, (of Autodesk, makers of 3DS and ACAD)
REALLY??? Well, let me refresh your memory!!!!!!!!
Previous msg from Sanford to Gary:
Gary,
My favorite modeler just quit! Look at this quote from Hash:
<<Unfortunately, A:M does not support any type of DXF anymore…. Sorry!
Steve, Hash Inc.>>
Boy, I sure hope somebody gets into the "spline to DXF" business. I will pray
for a spline modeling IPAS plug-in that is solid. No more Animation Master
upgrades for me! Oh well.
Sanford
PREVIOUS RESPONSE FROM GARY:
I wonder why they did that…. (bizarre move, considering a large part of their
market was as an add-on to other apps, like 3DS)
– G
PREVIOUS (apparently deleted) RESPONSE FROM ME:
A suggestion that perhaps the fact that DXF was changed in ACADv13
was responsible for some people "giving up" on keeping their DXF
translators current. How dare I criticize Mother AUTODESK! This
dangerous message must be deleted from the forum immediately!!!!!!!!!!
RESPONSE FROM YOU:
Dennis,
You can post your DXF related questions in the AutoCAD forum, GO ACAD. We
are not really involved with that over here in ASOFT.
-Brian
FINAL RESPONSE FROM ME:
Brian,
Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y, I think you can!
As they used to say in the Fantastic Four Comics, "Flame On"!
You have been very helpful in the past, and I never saw anything in this
forum which indicated that the wrath of AUTODESK would descend
full force (delete message critical of Adesk, tell us to shut up (nicely
worded, of course)), at the first hint of a criticism of Mother AUTODESK.
I'm not even angry – I would be amused if I weren't so terribly, terribly
disappointed!!
TO SANFORD,
I apologize for the fact that you got caught in the cross-fire intended
for me. My time as a lurker on this forum left me unprepared for the
childish and petulant attitude exhibited at the first hint of a criticism
of Mother AUTODESK.
I think you're confusing apples with oranges. This is the 3D Studio support
forum, and the 3DS DXF spec hasn't changed EVER. We still load all the DXF's
we used to load, and we'll continue to do so. (That's why the explanation of
Playmation dropping DXF support because of ACAD doesn't ring true… I've never
heard of an ACAD user using Playmation in the CAD environment.)
For all discussions about what AutoCAD does, you need to bring those issues up
in the ACAD forum.
– G
Well, what you say is certainly true, but I think you maybe are burying your
head in the sand a little.
The DXF format is not a 3DS format – it is an AUTOCAD format. Therefore, it's
pretty obvious that
what ACAD does determines what DXF does. It is pretty hard to imagine, for
instance, that 3DSr5, and
r6 and r7, won't read the new ACADv13 DXF format. So 3DS certainly is
impacted by the fact that
ACAD has changed it. The next release of 3DS can not be said to be completely
DXF compatible,
for instance, if it won't accept DXF files from ACADv13/v14, etc. I certainly
have seen some media
coverage in the ACAD mags about how everybody is going to have to update their
DXF converters
to ACADv13. A lot of companies are at this very moment in time evaluating
whether or not they
can or how much it will cost to update their DXF routines. You remarked that
it seemed strange
that Hash was suddenly dropping DXF support at this time. I was just trying to
make you aware of
the fact that many many companies are trying to calculate how much DXF support
is going to cost
them to update at this time – this is no coincidence. I don't imagine that
HASH could say that
they import/export the "industry standard" DXF files and then have a thousand
users complain that
the new ACADv13 DXF files don't work – maybe they just decided to get out now –
I don't want to put
words in their mouth, I just wanted to point out that there are a lot of
companies that must choose
right now to either "bite the bullet" and update their DXF stuff, or abandon it
– I think most will
"bite the bullet", but it certainly is not irrelevant to this forum. Did I
imagine the chapter in Inside
3DS on using ACAD??? Did I imagine the various files in the libs that are in
DXF format, or are
utilities to import DXF to 3DS?? Did I imagine the fact that there are
several other threads active
on this forum at this time that deal with DXF files?? Let's make a deal –
you move all files, all utilities,
and all threads that have anything to do with DXF into the ACAD forum and purge
them out of this
forum, and then I will believe that I have no right to discuss DXF issues here
(g)-
Dennis
P.S. May the blessings of Mother AUTODESK be bestowed freely upon you!
P.P.S. I think the time is right to "lighten up a little" on this. I still
don't appreciate my message
being deleted by Mother AUTODESK, but I admit it may have come
across a little more
confrontational that I intended it to be. – I would like to invoke
a quote by Rodney King –
"Can't we all just get along!?"
Dennis,
I really have no clue what you have read into my message. You have obviously
interpreted it way different than it was intended.
What I am saying is that there are discussions about the very issue you brought
up ("A suggestion that perhaps the fact that DXF was changed in ACADv13
was responsible for some people "giving up" on keeping their DXF
translators current") that are happening over in the ACAD forum. If you wish to
participate in those discussions, that would be the place to be.
That is it. No hipocracy. No censorship. Nothing except what I thought was a
friendly note that some people are talking about a topic you are interested in
on a different forum. If I was censoring you, or being hipocratic, why would I
tell you to visit another AUTODESK sponsored forum?
-Brian
Okay, let's stand down from DEVCON1
My original message about the DXF file changes has disappeared from my
FileCabinet. Now this has occasionally happened to me before and it has either
been WINCIM, or my limited knowledge of WINCIM that has caused it.
Because the msg disappeared and then your brief message appeared in its place,
I assumed that
the msg was deleted and you were now chiding me about discussing ADESK negative
items
in this forum. I apologize if you did not nuke the msg – my mistake! Try this
mental exercise though –
imagine your msg has been deleted after you criticized ADESK – then read your
msg to me in
that light – doesn't it seem to say "SHUT UP"? OK – so I misinterpreted it –
electronic communication
still lags far behind face-to-face.
I do feel though, that my original msg was appropriate – Gary had remarked that
he was surprised
that HASH would drop DXF support at this time – this made me think that HE was
unaware of the
discussion going on in the ACAD forum (and elsewhere) about the impact of the
change in DXF
format. So it didn't seem toooo far afield to mention that the change in DXF
might have played a
part in the decision by HASH. I didn't expect and I was very surprised to be
told to go somewhere
else to discuss this. I feel like I got less tolerance than the guy who was on
here bitching about
how great LightWave is!!!
In conclusion, life is too short, and I have pretty much exhausted my lurker's
allotment of msgs
per month on this subject. Apparently it was just a coincidence that my msg
disappeared from
my filecabinet at the same time that your msg arrived for me to misinterpret.
Have a nice day and
May the blessings of Mother AUTODESK flow freely upon you.
(I include this because anyone who would get seriously annoyed at this deserves
to be seriously
annoyed – I'm not saying that's you)
Dennis
<<Try this mental exercise though –
imagine your msg has been deleted after you criticized ADESK – then read your
msg to me in
that light – doesn't it seem to say "SHUT UP"? OK – so I misinterpreted it –
electronic communication
still lags far behind face-to-face. >>
For the record, we NEVER delete messages. We only move them to section 0
(closed from the general public). In section 0 the sender and intended
recipient can still get access to the messages.
Yes, I agree, e-mail can be much easier to misinterpret. That is why we try to
tell people to count to ten and re-read their messages, and not to assume
implications from e-mail.
<<I do feel though, that my original msg was appropriate… I didn't expect and
I was very surprised to be told to go somewhere else to discuss this.>>
Never said it wasn't. It is appropriate. I've never said don't discuss it. Of
course it affects us. However, this is not where the big discussions are
happening. Over on ACAD, even the people who make the decisions were getting
into the conversation. So naturally, if someone starts talking about the same
topic, I am going to point them over to that forum. I think that makes perfect
sense.
<<May the blessings of Mother AUTODESK flow freely upon you.>>
Thank you my son. May it shine down upon you always. <g>
-brian
Brian,
I have some important new data on this situation:
1. My daughters chicken pox has scabbed up and I actually got to sleep thru
the night last night!
2. Reviewing this thread in light of item #1, I believe an impartial
observer would conclude that I get WAY too jumpy when I've gone
a few days without much sleep.
3. I apologize for over-reacting. I've been on this forum long enough to
know better than what I was thinking. To quote Dr. Jekyll: "I don't know who
that other guy was, but I'm back now!"
Thanks for staying calm while I was going berserk!
(a chagrined) Dennis
Dear Dr. Jekyll:
1. I am glad your daughter is feeling better. I am expecting my first child in
the next two months. (Well, my wife is expecting, I am anticipating.) I can
already sympathize with the not being able to sleep through the night syndrome.
2. understandable.
3. no problem. no worries.
-Brian