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Alpha, Magic and LenZFX?

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#165067From: Brent BonetApr 16, 1995 6:29 PM
I'm using Magic to create a comet trail and would like to apply a glow to the trail. I've rendered the comet trail separately with alpha and applied LenZFX glow with alpha to get the desired glow. When I go to composite the animation in video post I'm not getting good transparency of the alpha and it looks rather nasty. Any tips on this? Brent Bonet – POP! Multimedia Atlanta
#165228From: DAVID CAMPApr 17, 1995 6:07 PM
Because of it's nature (8 bits) the alpha channel is not antialiased. The particles of the comet trail a probably too small to look good without aliasing. One possible solution would be to not render a separate alpha chan. but instead to make the comet trail a single color ( self illuminated ?) color and key your glow off of that color. If I have time tonight ( I'm bust learning Premiere) I'll try it that way and let you know what other ideas I can come up with that might help. Also , if you get it to work, let me know. Bye bye -=DC=-
#165260From: LEE STEELApr 17, 1995 9:35 PM
Brent, Just a further note. David's self illuminated material suggestion is the ticket. Probably the easiest way to key Glow or LenZFX. Make sure you have gamma correct "off" during this render. Lee
#165271From: Brent BonetApr 17, 1995 10:25 PM
I've rendered the magic with alpha and then applied glow based on brightness with alpha on. when I composited I got no transparency…when I rendered with alpha split and looked at the alpha is was all white! My earlier problem came from the use of flics instead of targas. I wasn't aware that the flics couldn't save alpha info. It seems to me with alpha rendered with my glow and 256 levels of transparency I could get a decent composite! Brent Bonet – POP! Multimedia Atlanta
#165446From: DAVID CAMPApr 18, 1995 4:19 PM
>. Make sure you have gamma correct "off" during this render. Oops, I forgot about that part…. Thanks David
#165467From: david W. mennenohApr 18, 1995 5:45 PM
David, PMJI, but the alpha channel _is_ antialiased. If you're using SEEZ, the Z-buffer isn't AA but alpha definately is. LenzFX has a problem with AA since it's laid over after the studio rendering is finished. You have to use masks to get around this limitation. You're right about the particles though, if they're too small both AA, and gamma can change their hue so it isn't affected by glow. Good luck with Premier. Will you be trying to use it with a PAR? DM
#165556From: Brent BonetApr 19, 1995 5:41 AM
As far as my original problem with alpha goes…I experimented by turning off gamma and using negative alpha it seemed to work! Not perfectly in my opinion, but good enough to keep. Doesn't make sense to me but… 256 level alpha should be perfect in the 32 bit environment. No pixel can have more than 256 levels of luminance, so… Brent Bonet – POP! Multimedia Atlanta
#165696From: DAVID CAMPApr 19, 1995 7:22 PM
>t the alpha channel _is_ antialiased. If you're using SEEZ, the Z-buffer >isn't AA but alpha definitely is. Oh. I guess I got 'em mixed up, thanks >….. Premier. Will you be trying to use it with a PAR? Yes. I hope to. I was going to go with RAZOR, but I was given a copy of Premiere by Adobe. In the README file, it says DPS PAR drivers are available, but I can't seem to find them. Maybe with the PVR officially announced, DPS decided not to continue with PAR software development. I don't know that for sure, but I hope it isn't true ( maybe I'll ask our new friend David White ) I may end up getting RAZOR PRO anyway (everyone recommends it very highly, and it works flawlessly with the PAR right now. They both do things that other lacks, so getting both might work out. So far, I'm very impressed with Premiere. It really does things that could only be done in a big dollar studio until recently. See ya' David
#165718From: Don LandisApr 19, 1995 10:06 PM
I also have Premier 4 with PAR. The big problem is you must work with the long lists of seq. TGA files as the PAR does not support AVI. The MCI drivers are available and they do work. The test I di says the Premier works but now I need to find the time to learn the interface and the procedure to follow for achieving productivity. If only Premier would read *.ani files the product would be better than Insinc's Razor pro.
#165875From: DAVID CAMPApr 20, 1995 5:27 PM
> If only Premier would read *.ani files the product would be better than >Insinc's Razor pro. Every day I spend some time exploring Premiere and it hasn't stopped amazing me. I do hear, however, that the latest upgrade to RAZOR PRO is really great. I may end up getting RAZOR and use both programs for their strengths. Bye David
#166026From: Don LandisApr 21, 1995 9:50 AM
Sounds like what I might be doing in the future. Razor pro is just not in my current budget however.
#166102From: DAVID CAMPApr 21, 1995 5:54 PM
> Razor pro is just not in my current budget however. Same here……… 1st priority is a PVR (or a cheap PAR, if I can find one) I'll survive with Premiere for a while and, hopefully, there will be drivers for Premiere from DPS in the near future. Bye David
#166111From: david W. mennenohApr 21, 1995 7:00 PM
David, Actually, I thought they were showing it on Win 3.1. Maybe not. I don't care really, I was hoping we'd get one at work, because now we single frame it and are constantly out of HD space. I myself have it scheduled for a fall purchase, so by then I'm sure everything will be ironed out. Yes, Razor Pro works great with the PAR. Actually, last night, I finished rendering a 6000 frame animation with it. It was about 30 seperate .ANI's all with transitions, crossfades mostly, but quite a few transjammer ones. It rendered without a hitch. Though it did take about 6 hours. I used the player to play it along with 3 min of recorded sound we edited with Wave SE. It came out very nicely. But it's still a lot of f'ing around to get things done right. I'm hoping an Alpha with NT will help a lot with this. 🙂 Take care. DM
#166181From: DAVID CAMPApr 22, 1995 10:36 AM
Thanks for the info….. Do you know of anyone working with a PAR and Premiere 4.0? Are the drivers out? David White from DPS hasn't answered that question, (I've asked Twice) Thanks again Bye David
#166196From: david W. mennenohApr 22, 1995 1:15 PM
David, No, I don't think there are drivers yet for Premiere/PAR. I haven't really been following anything related to Premiere as RP is so nice. DM
#166228From: DAVID CAMPApr 22, 1995 6:13 PM
> RP is so nice. Yeah, fate is a funny thing. after looking at both, and really putting a lot of effort into finding out as much information about both as I could, I made a very carful and well thought out decision. As soon as I could, I would buy RAZOR PRO. Then, out of nowhere, I win Premiere at a computer show. I guess this means that if I now buy RAZOR, it will be kinda' like getting two for one, but the fact that I have a bird in the hand makes it sort off tough to lay out $800 for something that, although "nicer", still doesn't do that much more than what I already have. Oh well, lifes a B**** Bye David
#166231From: david W. mennenohApr 22, 1995 6:54 PM
Hey Dave, Yup, really the only thing RP has over Premiere is its ability to talk directly to the Par. When you start doing big projects though, this is a major issue. I'd just go buy RP anyway, it's worth it. Take care. DM
#166317From: DAVID CAMPApr 23, 1995 1:48 PM
Thanks… you take care also DC