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Buenos tardes, amigos.

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#15341From: RICHARD BUDAYMay 18, 1992 4:33 PM
Gary – Welcome Back! Glad to here that you had a great time wandering around the Yucatan. I was down there with a couple of years ago with some people from school. Although our trip was somewhat organized, we spent two weeks riding on a bus from Cancun, through several ruins, and finally to Oaxaca in the west. Nothing will clear your mind faster than driving over the countless "topes" (speed bumps) in every small village. Once again, welcome back, and I hope you get to feeling better soon! Peter, ARCHIMAGE P.S. Did you happen to stumble on Palenque in your travels?
#15374From: Yost GroupMay 18, 1992 10:49 PM
Heya Peter (and Richard), We discovered the simplicity of using topes instead of stop lights or stop signs. Works great, and keeps the local mechanics gainfully employed. Very exciting when you hit one of those at 20km/hour and go airborne. We didn't go as far south as Palenque, unfortunately. But we did manage to get to Chichen Itza, Uxmal, Labna, Sayel, Bekah, Tulum, and Coba. That's probably about 10% of the Mayan sites in C. America, but it felt like we got a pretty rich picture of life there during the last 1500 years. I even learned a few Mayan words! Do you know what "shnook" means in Mayan (as compared to the Yiddish version…)?? – G
#15389From: alec jasonMay 19, 1992 1:29 AM
Hi Gary, When you feel up to it, I'd be grateful for a solution to my problem of trying to replace a clone of a Viewpoint human figure (HF) with a new mesh HF. Copy tracks doesn't seem to work. John Mellor couldn't help. (see my message #15240). I might also point out that "Buenas Tardes" is spelled "BuenAs" — not with an "O" — as it takes the feminine form. This grammatical fact is clearly explained on page 864 of the "Pinche Diccionaria de Gramatica Andalusena." Glad you're back. Alec Jason
#15440From: CSA/CAMay 19, 1992 3:09 PM
Alec, You should be able to accomplish your mesh replacement by following the steps Jack outlined. Save the object into its own 3DS file. Load it and rename the parts so they are exactly the same names as the geometry you want to replace. Save again. Reload the original complex 3DS scene and Merge in the new geometry, which will replace the old geometry of the same name and inherit all its keyframes. Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
#15461From: alec jasonMay 19, 1992 7:36 PM
Kevin, Thanks for your input, but . . . Maybe I don't get it but I can't make your (or Jack's) procedure work. The object I want to replace is an instance object (clone) which means it does not exist in the 3D Editor: only in the Keyframer. There is no way that I know of to "save the object in its own 3DS file." The command "save selected" only works in the 3D Editor and I do not know of any other way to save the clone without saving the original object it "came" from. I could delete every object in the segment until I got down to the original human form (HF) and its clone. If I delete the original HF, the clone will also be deleted. Is there a way to save an instance object into a new 3ds file ? Alec Jason
#15481From: Yost GroupMay 20, 1992 1:26 AM
Hi Alec, There's no way to replace an "instanced" clone of an object(s) in the Editor or Keyframer. If that's what you want to do, you need to use master objects instead of clones. The reason why you're having problems with objects being rotated when you copy tracks is because the objects you're copying the animation data to were made in a different original orientation than the objects from which you're copying the animation data. For example, if you copy animation from an arm that was made in the top viewport to an arm that was made in the front viewport, the animation data will be 90-degrees offset for the copy. The only way around this is to reset the new objects orientation to that of the original. There's a long convoluted way to do this that I'd probably have to show you in person. I'll be happy to do that at the user group meeting on the 30th. Basically, if you know that you're going to want to substitute objects for other objects, you should avoid using instances. That makes it very easy to just use the Replace function… that's why we put that feature in there! BuenAs NochEs, AmigO. (is that right?) – G
#15484From: alec jasonMay 20, 1992 2:30 AM
Si, Senor! Yeah, I know I should have used mesh objects instead of clones. I didn't realize that I was painting myself into a corner until late in the job. I might be able to live with the situation if I can change the HF's hair color by linking on a new mesh hair object over the existing hair object (after scaling the existing one down.) I haven't tried it yet. Animating people is hard work. I'm looking forward to learning your other solution at the meeting. Thanks for your help. Alec Jason Note Bene to All: There is a "DESKTOP VIDEO/92" Expo at the Hyatt Regency near the San Franciso Airport, May 21-23. I don't know much about this event but its likely to have interesting video hardware. The info number is 800-322-6442.
#15434From: RICHARD BUDAYMay 19, 1992 12:35 PM
Gary – Asked around and nobody here speaks mayan. I must add that while on my trip, a group of us got a little drunk at Chichen-Itza and climbed to the top of the big pyramid in the middle of the night! We all got a little spooked and climbed down before we disturbed the gods. On the serious side there is nothing like wandering around the entire place in total darkness by yourself, with no tourists, to feel the power of the mayan culture. Unfortunately one feels nothing but nausea after that cheesy light show. – Peter, ARCHIMAGE P.S. Did you get a lucky Choc-Mool keychain, or candle holder? Es muy bueno senor y solamente diez mil pesos. Siete mil. Cinco……….<g>
#15482From: Yost GroupMay 20, 1992 1:29 AM
Funny that you mention that… our first shot of the temple at C.I. was at 9pm, in the dark (before the cheesy light show). It was pretty amazing to first set eyes on it in the dark — I've got no idea how they let you climb around on it at night. The light show at Uxmal was actually pretty hip. Did you catch it? – G PS: Instead of the keychain, I picked up the Belam T-shirt of the Jaguar eating the human heart. It gave us a great idea for a concession at the temple… rasberry heart-shaped popsicles!
#15492From: RICHARD BUDAYMay 20, 1992 9:27 AM
Gary – Actually, they don't let climb up there at night. It's just difficult to keep several bored college kids from sneeking in. We stayed in a hotel on the oposite side from the visitor center (the back entrance?). It was real spooky walking through the jungle, having not seen the temples yet, and suddenly stepping into the clearing about 100 yards from the base. You could almost sense what it was like for the original explorers. We also spent a couple of days at Uxmal, which I think I liked more. Fewer people? The light show was much better, only no sneaking around here as there were guards with machine guns! Another thing about Uxmal was that once something got wet, it never dried out. – Peter, ARCHIMAGE P.S. Did you get to see fertility temple? I didn't, but I heard it was interesting.
#15497From: Yost GroupMay 20, 1992 10:00 AM
Did you stay at the Mayaland hotel at CI and the Hacienda at Uxmal? We fell in love with both of those places… was like staying in a botanical park with an aviary. In addition to the fertility temple at Uxmal, there was a series of fertility carvings in Sayel that were mind boggling… Long Dong Silver had absolutely NOTHING on the star of those. – G
#15513From: Dave Byrnes [AEC TM]May 20, 1992 12:37 PM
Temple carvings, eh? Sayyyyyy…. what a project for 3D Studio!