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Buy high or low?

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#23661From: Rob SalmonMay 20, 1992 2:05 AM
Question for techies. This has nothing to do with Amigas, but: I need to buy quickly a laptop/notebook class clone for use in a 3rd world country – where warrantees mean nothing, parts are unavailable, power is iffy, etc. I have no idea how the user/buyer sees the tradeoff between reliability and price. And it is not possible to ask him before shipping time. I can get a namebrand 386SX with 1 or 2 MB ram and 40MB HD for about $1800; I can get an "almost name brand" like an Everex Tempo for $1600; or I can get a "source unknown" clone for $1300. I have tried out the cheapie – it seems ok – if it were for me, I'd get it, knowing Silicon Valley's a shout away and I could replace whatever I smoked. But what about the guy 12000 miles from here? Knowing electronics tend to fail fast or not fail for years, what if I got the cheapie and ran it myself for a couple months to burn it in and make sure all is well? I want to save the buyer all I can, but I also want reasonable reliability. What do I buy?? Suggestions appreciated.
#23670From: SyndesisMay 20, 1992 10:27 AM
It might be easiest to go to your computer dealer and ask which laptop model is the most popular. I looked at a sales chart on laptops the other day and was surprised to see a TI computer at the top of the list. As for parts, warranty, etc. I don't think it really matters. If this thing breaks down, it sounds like you'll need to send it out of the country for repairs. You didn't way which part of the world, but chances are, there may be a repair place or dealer closer than you think.
#23694From: Rob SalmonMay 21, 1992 2:03 AM
It's going to Binga, a small town on Lake Kariba in Zimbabwe. The nearest computer store is in Bulawayo, 400 or so miles away. The drive to Bulawayo is not exactly like a trip on an Interstate. 🙂
#23705From: SyndesisMay 21, 1992 8:48 AM
Maybe you should investigate a ruggedized, industrial laptop that seals out dust and moisture. They're probably not that much more expensive, because I bet they're in demand in the PC market. At COMDEX these days, half the place is dominated by booths carrying weird variations of clones, and everyone has their own laptop.
#23733From: Rob SalmonMay 22, 1992 12:14 AM
Thanks, John, I'll price the ruggedized models for next year. I got a fax yesterday that said cheaper = better, so I bought the "Golden Hawk of Sunnyvale" top of the line for $1339. It runs fine although I doubt the screen hinge can handle much stress. I'm going to add some cache ram and call it done. Ever read "Into the Heart of Borneo"? I have almost enough material for the Zimbabwe version.
#23673From: Betty Clay/SYSOPMay 20, 1992 5:48 PM
Rob, Even when you buy the very best of brand names (I'm thinking Toshiba, which is what I bought for myself) I hear that you have to return the machine to the country where it was bought for the warranty work, and that frequently the machines in other countries are so different from the ones sold here that dealers outside the US cannot even get parts for them. I suspect this is true of the other brands, too. However, I STILL bought the Toshiba for my own use, and am very well pleased with it. Betty
#23698From: Rob SalmonMay 21, 1992 2:10 AM
Thanks, Betty and Steve. I think I'll pick the middle priced one, run it in, and then function as a mail order parts business when I get back. Mailing small boards or chips is possible and with luck I'll be going back again in another year to take anything larger. With more luck, the computer will last the year out. Thanks again.
#23960From: Jose FuentesMay 28, 1992 11:17 AM
Rob: I once read a PC Magazine article (May 1991) in which about 10 or Notebooks were tested, including Compaq, Toshiba, Zenith, and some other brand names. One name I'd never heard of (ZEOS) came on top. It passed a whole bunch of "real life" tests (ie leaving the notebook in the trunk of your car by accident under extreme cold and hot temps, falling off a desk, etc) You may want to give them a shout: ZEOS International, Ltd. 530 5th Avenue NW St Paul, MN 55112 Voice (612) 633-4592 Fax (612) 633-1325 Tech support (800)423-5891 They have a 30-day "Absolute Satisfaction" money-back guarantee. I once called them so I could get some more literature from them. If you give me a fax #, I could fax them to you. Hope am not too late. Good luck. Jose Fuentes, NYC
#23688From: Steve AhlstromMay 21, 1992 12:22 AM
Rob, I can't give too much (intelligent) advice. What I'd probably do is shop for the hardware that meets your needs — then shop price and warranty. I know you said that the warranty in this situation is useless, but it is an indication of what the manufacturer (or OEM) thinks of their product's reliability. If financially possible, since the user will be in the middle of nowhere, I'd buy 2 identical machines. If one dies, the user isn't down while it travels around the world to be repaired. -sja
#23764From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 22, 1992 10:33 PM
Rob, I would suggest the following: First, consider that laptop breakdown rates are MUCH higher than those of desktops. This is a big consideration. Next: I would go with a brand name, but not with a current model. I would consider a decent '286, and one built by a reputable manufacturer. Right now, you can get the old Compaq LTE 286 for under $1000 (if you can find someone closing them out). They are tough, they will run DOS at a pretty decent clip, and will be relatively cheap. There are other brands out there that will offer the same thing. If speed is a consideration, try a new model of either Grid or AT&T. Grid, I believe, still make some of its models with a metal case, while the AT&T Safari appears like it can take some abuse. Plus, it is fast and nice. Third: Third World intimates humidity to me. It would be worth looking into either a good supply of dessicant packs (you know, the little packs of crystal beads that they pack with electronics to keep the moisture out). I can't tell you where, but cases are available that are lined with the stuff…good for medium to long term storage. When they have absorbed all the moisture they can handle, you put them in the oven and bake them (the case, not the laptop….:). Oh yeah…the general rule that I have found is that the lighter it is,the more shortcuts the manufacturer has taken….while if it is too heavy, it probably means a crude design. Try something that has some heft, but looks like it was made well. Hope this helps. Jonathan – via Whap!
#23776From: Rob SalmonMay 23, 1992 9:03 AM
Jonathan, thanks for the advice. The country is Zimbabwe which has a fairly decent climate – high plains, a rainy season in our Fall, moderate temperatures. Drought, famine, disease, and politicians are bigger problems than the weather. What you say makes great sense to me. The user, however, feels that cheaper = better, so I bought a local (SF Bay area) no-name clone from some guys with a decent reputation. The user specifically requested a 386SX machine, so that's what I bought him. [Earnest throat-clearing.] Since this is my first honest job in a number of years, I'm trying to keep the customer happy: having warned him about price/reliability tradeoffs, I'll meet *his* price and performance specs. The computer is irrelevant to the real job anyway. Thanks again, Rob.
#23805From: Steve AhlstromMay 24, 1992 3:15 AM
Jonathon, The AT&T Safari is a _great_ little notebook computer. I've got one for my use (but it's not mine — it's AT&Ts). If I were to buy a laptop/notebook, that's be it (altho it is pricey at almost $6k). -sja
#23781From: Brian CowanMay 23, 1992 12:05 PM
Oh, God, I'm gonna hear about _this_… I think that a Zenith MastersPort SL will do what you need. If the MastersPort is built anything like the 4 year old SupersPort (286 laptop weighing in at _15_ lbs w/battery) I have, you won't go far wrong. Zenith has a reputation for good power management — meaning that the operating life of the battery willl be better than some of the "brand X" notebooks. The power adapter is an "autosensing" adapter that will work on 100-120vac and 200-240vac, 50/60 Hz. This makes it _very_ useful if you plan to use the machine somewhere where you can't be too sure _what_ you're plugging into. Just my 2 cents worth. Brian – via Whap!
#23961From: Jose FuentesMay 28, 1992 11:19 AM
Rob: Re: My Last message It wasnt PC Magazine, it was PC Computing, May 1991 Jose