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I am a college student that has just been turned on to the
world of film (video) making. I am a Theatre major and I have begun
to direct and act in my own short features. Since I am just
beginning to do this I would like some help setting up my system to
edit video. It just seem a waste of computing power to use two
VCR's. Basically I would like to know what basic hardware pieces to
get to edit my work. I plan on entering my work into film festivals,
so I am interested on professional capability. I an not interested
in you giving advice on namebrand information, just what is needed to
do the job. I have a 486DX2-66 system with 16 meg of RAM, 256k
cache, 300 meg Hardrive (I know, small), 3 x 32-bit EISA Bus slots, 5
x 16 bit ISA Bus slots, 2 x 32-bit VESA Bus slots, ThunderPro 1024 x
768 graphics card w/ 1meg.
Believe it or not, I have yet to put multimedia capablities on
my system yet, so I want to make sure I get the right equipment the
first time. Thank you so much for your time and I lok forward to
becoming friends.
Sincerely
David "Lance" Smith
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Lance:
>Since I am just beginning to do this I would like some help setting up my
system to edit video. It just seem a waste of computing power to use two
VCR's. Basically I would like to know what basic hardware pieces to get to
edit my work. I plan on entering my work into film festivals, so I am
interested on professional capability. I an not interested in you giving
advice on namebrand information, just what is needed to do the job. I have a
486DX2-66 system with 16 meg of RAM, 256k cache, 300 meg Hardrive (I know,
small), 3 x 32-bit EISA Bus slots, 5 x 16 bit ISA Bus slots, 2 x 32-bit VESA
Bus slots, ThunderPro 1024 x 768 graphics card w/ 1meg.<
W/a hard drive that size, non-linear editing (NLE) wouldn't be a wise option
since digitized video is SUCH a memory hog! (In case you're not sure, NLE takes
your video footage, digitizes it to your computer, and lets you edit your
digitized footage and then output it back to videotape.)
I'd suggest a "hybrid" system like the Fast Video Machine Lite (which I'm
currently using) or the new Toaster for Windows. What it will do is A/B roll
linear edit your footage (so you can do dissolves, wipes, etc.), and allow you
to place computer graphics onto your videotape for titles, etc.
Or, if you'd rather not use your computer, Videonics and Panasonic make a
digital video mixers so you can do dissolves and other special effects,
Videonics makes a nice, reasonably priced titler, and Videonics is also coming
out this summer (they say) w/an A/B roll edit controller (Future Video also has
a couple, both for use with and without your computer).
Outside of your hard drive size, your computer seems perfectly DTV-worthy,
IMHO. A Pentium would be better, admittedly, but what you've got sounds
perfectly usable.
Hope this helps,
Tim Liebe
#5362-#Brand New — declared parent_msg_num=5362, resolved parent_id points to #5362
Thanks for the advice, one of the things I plan to do when I buy
components is to increase my hard drive to over a gig. They seem preety
affordable now and the more I save the cheaper they get. I just hope that I
don't jump in over my head when it comes to editing my own work. Actors are
their own worst critics!! Once again thanks, and I hope to exchange knowledge
again soon.
Sincerely,
Lance
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Lance:
>Thanks for the advice, one of the things I plan to do when I buy components is
to increase my hard drive to over a gig. They seem preety affordable now and
the more I save the cheaper they get. <
Okay–but keep in mind even w/Enhanced IDE, the hard drive can't access its
data as fast as it could w/a SCSI interface. You may experience some pauses,
dropped frames, etc. if you're woking in a high-resolution mode…
Best,
Tim
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> even w/Enhanced IDE, the hard drive can't access its data as fast as it
> could w/a SCSI interface
No kidding? I was under the impression they were nearly equivalent in
speed. Have you seen figures on this?
Thanks.
-jts
#5403-Brand New — declared parent_msg_num=5403, resolved parent_id points to #5403
Watch out for the large hd … I assume you're talking about IDE. To
address over 512mb you need a motherboard with Logical Block Addressing
(LBA) or else you'll have to run a real mode driver from config.sys. This
is an issue because Win95 can run ALL drivers in protected mode IF one is
available … only on an LBA mobo however.
-jts
#5349-#Brand New — declared parent_msg_num=5349, resolved parent_id points to #5349
David,
For professional looking results, in a non-linear editing environment, you will
need a video capture/playback card that works at resolutions greater than
640×480 and that can capture 60 fields per second with 24bit color resolution.
The DPS PAR card is a good choice in this range of capture cards.
-John
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Thanks for the reply, you guys are on the ball in here! The only
follow up question I have for you is where can I find information on the
termanology. Or mabey a good source of information for the beginner. I only
came into the forum 2 days ago and haven't dug through the library yet. Can
you suggest a particualy area so as to save time in loooking? All of your help
is greatly appreciated!
Sincerely,
Lance
#5402-Brand New — declared parent_msg_num=5402, resolved parent_id points to #5402
Try Library 3, news and reviews, here, and check your dealers for New Media and
Digital Video magazines.
-John
#5349-#Brand New — declared parent_msg_num=5349, resolved parent_id points to #5349
When I started looking around in the same way a few months ago here's what I
came up with …
For home quality editing the new low cost capture cards from Miro ($600 for
DC1 with new DC20 PCI card due out June or so along with a rash of
competition in PCI 'broadcast' quality capture cards) and ///FAST ($1000
Movie Machine Pro … but some have noted significant software problems) are
ok for NLE. Somewhere between VHS and SVHS quality if fed hi band signal.
Watch out for that PCMag 4/11 review since it mixed cdrom/multimedia mostly
video capture cards with the Miro DC1tv. Only the latter is truly made for
video ouput. Software for NLE is Adobe Premiere and it's usually bundled.
For pro work all say it's still tape based editing unless you're willing to
spend $20,000 or so. For this level of video capture Truevision Targa 2000
is considered entry level. I can't help you on this level but others in
BPFORUM, DTVFORUM and CEVIDEO can. Selected vendors have forums as well …
.///FAST, Miro, Truevision, Adobe for examples.
Computer can be either Mac or PC/Windows with lots of heat on which is
'best'. My take is that Windows has the decided advantage but I wouldn't
want to argue this point. Mac is fine. It all started with Video Toaster
for Amiga. Now Commodore is out of business tho a German company has
purchased them recently and pledges to bring them back in the marketplace.
Basically you can't have enough CPU, memory or hard drive. For PC most say
486DX2/66, 16mb ram and 2-4 gigabytes of fast HD (E-IDE or FAST SCSI-II) ok
for starters. Bottle neck for NLE is hard drive sustained transfer rate.
For tape based editing nearly everyone is positive about ///FAST Video
Machine. A/B roll. Everything you need except the decks. Lite version for
$2500 MSRP. FutureVideo V-Station 3300 ($1000) comes up often too. EzV2
often mentioned as bargain VISCA software controller at $250. A safe low
cost entry to get your feet wet would be Gold Disk's VideoDirector edit
control software. Windows based and has multiple protocols including VISCA
for $100 … of course at this price it's straight one source assembly of
cuts only.
Stand alone edit gear (ie., non-computer based) … All I know is that
Videonics is the only serious prosumer stuff and I've seen a lot of messages
from satisfied owners. I've been advised that 'illegal video' makes this a
less than satisfactory brand if you're after true broadcast quality.
Panasonic, Sony and JVC often mentioned at pro level. This is way out of my
league anyway. <g>
March '95 issue of Videomaker has a nice overview with product lists in each
category (storyboard, capture, overlay, NLE, hybrid, tape editors). The
last couple issues of Videography have focused on first Mac and then Windows
based editing. I haven't seen a good book, at least on the prosumer level.
A multimedia cdrom called 'How To Shoot Video Like A Pro' for $30 is supposed
to be a good intro.
As you already know camcorders are Sony TR-700 for top consumer palmcorder
and reads and writes RCTC for $1250. Prosumer level is Sony VX-3 and Canon
L2 at about $2,500 (and up for Canon with interchangeable lens). Panasonic
AG-455 is popular in SVHS format. Everyone craves the Sony Hi8 EVW-300 at
$5k. VX-3 and EVW-300 are 3 CCD camcorders.
Decks are Sony EV-S7000, CVD-1000 and EVO-9720 for Hi8. The latter has two
transports and works nicely for simple editing self contained or A/B roll.
About $3500. The former are about $1400 with second being VISCA. SVHS is
Panasonic AG-1970 for starters. When single frame accuracy needed Sanyo
GVR-S950/955 is usually mentioned.
There is a lot of gear out there. What I'mm learning with is the TR-700,
two CVD-1000 and a Magni genlock card. Software is VideoDirector and EzV2
for edit control with Curtain Call and PrimeTime CG. For me this is a home
editing hobby but even so I saw that I needed a separate record deck rather
than use the 700 and also a TBC to steady the video stream. I'm planning to
add NLE when the PCI video capture card offerings firm up, 4 GB E-IDE drives
come out and down in price and Pentium P90 or P100's prices fall a bit.
Probably Q3 this year.
B&H Photo NYC handles it all. 800-947-9925.
Oh, having lots of money can be useful. <g> But today's gear is considered
a bargain for what it does compared to what it once required for the same
tasks.
Hope this helps.
-jts
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John:
>For tape based editing nearly everyone is positive about ///FAST Video
Machine. A/B roll. Everything you need except the decks. Lite version for
$2500 MSRP. <
One thing should be mentioned about the Video Machine Lite, though–it's not
exactly "plug 'n' play" (as I'm finding out, having to write about it on a
tight deadline…<g>). Once you get over the learning curve, though, it does a
LOT for not a lot of money…
Best,
Tim
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Experienced users keep telling me this. Since it must therefore be true I
suspect I'll graduate to FAST VM at some point.
-jts
#5425-#Brand New — declared parent_msg_num=5425, resolved parent_id points to #5425
John:
>Experienced users keep telling me this. Since it must therefore be true I
suspect I'll graduate to FAST VM at some point.<
One word of caution about the VM, though–it ain't exactly user-friendly (as
I'm finding out, having spent the whole week playing w/it!)…
Best,
Tim
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> it ain't exactly user-friendly
Anything PC is going to have it's lumps. Unless of course it's written to
Win95's 32bit API! <g>
Now that you've got your hands on the VM Lite, here's a question for you.
Given a FutureVideo 3300 for A/B roll that can program the MX-1 via the GPI
(about to come out), what are the advantages and disadvantages of the two
options below:
Option 1: FutureVideo 3300 + Videonics MX-1
Option 2: ///FAST Video Machine Lite
As you know, the MX-1 offers a lot of bang with TBC, switcher and
transitions. The price will be comparable more or less once you add CG to
option 1 (and I have a genlock card and CG).
Thanks.
-jts
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Hi John
PMJI:
Well I've almost got this thing (VMLite) figured out. It works and it works
well. I havn't used any of the Future edit products, but they seem to have a
good rep. As far as the MX-1 goes it has lots of bang…Although I would want
to get my hands on the combo set-up first to see if it is totally compatible.
The really nice thing with the fast/// is the ability to work on a timelime.
You see your edits with picons and re-edits are a cinch, just click and drag,
change clip lengths, graphics, etc. Even I can do it. It does take a bit of a
learning curve, but the folks on the fast forum are great, there is seldom a
question that goes unanswered by the members and/or fast///. BTW the forum has
moved to GO Fast. If you can find a Lite installed somewhere, you gotta try it.
It is not as buggy as the Aver I had previously and I do get replies from fast!
Anyway, the benifits outweigh the effort and I get great results, not to
mention great video.
btw.. Did you ever get a capture card?
see ya
Arnie
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> Did you ever get a capture card?
Yea. I kept the Magni OEM genlock card that GVP bundled with VideoDirector
1.0 (modified to accept Curtain Call and genlock scripts) and Curtain Call
plus PrimeTime, which is a DOS CG. Nice CG. In video overlay mode the card
outputs RGB at NTSC rates which new monitors can't handle. So I picked up a
used Sony 1402. It syncs at NTSC rates. Works well. Turns out there's a
bug in VD so that it won't adjust post-roll. VD thinks they know where the
bug is and how to correct it. But BOTTOM LINE, I've been out $500 plus $140
for the monitor and I don't have a functioning cuts only linear editing
system as of now. What are we, about two months?
Oh, the genlock is based on the ET4000 chip and it outputs at only 60Hz
vertical refresh (I called Magni and they're looking into the driver … I
haven't heard anything from them in over a month so this reminds me it's
time to call again). Since it replaces the video card this means when I'm
using the PC for other programs I have to tolerate horrible screen flicker.
An issue long solved in all video cards.
Not so swift I think. Electronic Mailbox gave me a month to decided, I
decided at the end of the month that the wrinkles could be worked out ….
but now at two months I don't think so. I'm not very happy with this setup.
I'm still in the process of putting together my first video but with the
post-roll screwed up I often end up with unintended transitions from one
clip to another.
You know, I call Electronic Mailbox saying I'm new to this and so what
should I start out with given 'this' is what I'd like to do? They recommend
the GVP Personal Suite Plus package at $499 and here I am two months later
with a negative experience. I think we know the reason this package was
sold at a reduced price and why GVP went out of business. My understanding
is that Magni's cards are good, but …
-jts
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John:
>Experienced users keep telling me this. Since it must therefore be true I
suspect I'll graduate to FAST VM at some point.<
Seems I repeated my last comment on this subject in responding to this
originally <g>. All I can say is, even after having been on the phone to FAST
tech support several times (BTW, they don't have an 800 # and it's during
normal business hours only that you can reach them), it seems I'm still having
problems getting things running. I'm sure that, once I get all the kinks worked
out, it'll be a great machine, but my deadline's Monday and I'm getting new and
improved kinks!@!
Best,
Tim
#5437-Brand New — declared parent_msg_num=5437, resolved parent_id points to #5437
Tim,
You might also post some of the problems that you are having with the VM Lite
here. I am pretty familiar with it and there are lots of others here too.
-John
#5437-Brand New — declared parent_msg_num=5437, resolved parent_id points to #5437
It's good you've got a deadline. That'll put you're review in the real
world of what's practical and what's just for playing with as a hobby.
-jts
#5437-Brand New — declared parent_msg_num=5437, resolved parent_id points to #5437
Hi Tim
PMJI, I've been working through the learning curve on the VM Lite for about a
month now and it is a pretty incredible board. If you need support try posting
to the new fast/// forum. It is accessible by either "Go Fast", or in CISNav as
"Cis:Fast". All the fast people are there and technotes have been uploaded into
the library.
I know the feeling as deadlines approach, yesterday I made it to the station
with 3 minutes till airtime.That was after spending 4 hours trying to get the
VM to do audio inserts on my 1970, It was pretty obvious when I figured it out
finally, but 4 hours of error messages can drive you to the brink of insanity.
If I can be of any help, let me know.
Arnie…