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#Animator Studio Guide?

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#170266From: Peter NowellMay 16, 1995 10:09 AM
Dear Animators: The May 1995 Morph's Outpost has a review of Animator Studio which mentions that the author had a pre-release version without a Reference Manual. My box only had the Tutorial Manual. Should I have received a Reference Manual? I first thought that perhaps you were letting your hot new Help system serve as the reference manual, but I still feel the need for a manual I can flip through for command descriptions. Should I have received one or will one soon be available? Peter Nowell
#170490From: Nik Grant [adesk]May 17, 1995 8:53 AM
Animator Studio does not have a reference manual – just the "Basics of Digital Moviemaking: Installation/Concepts/Tutorials" book. The plan for Animator Studio was to provide an extensive amount of on-line help, and a consequent lessening of hard copy. This seems to have caught a few people by surprise. I believe that the on-line docs trend will continue, so any feedback is important. Right now the impression I have is that it seems hidden, that on-line help doesn't have the impact of hard copy. No one has said they don't like the help, particularly since it can show animations. Thanks.
#170644From: Kouros MoghaddamMay 17, 1995 10:51 PM
Something like 3DS Ref, Manual would be great. So far I have not seen anything like it anywhere. -Kouros.
#170658From: will taitMay 17, 1995 11:42 PM
Nik, I would prefer a manual to online. I am printing the thing out piece by piece and having to manage all that loose paper anyway. I realize online saves lots of $$$ but it is not the greatest for the end user. Will
#170724From: Judy WellerMay 18, 1995 8:39 AM
I am very disappointed that AS has the "manual" on-line. I really prefer hard copy and find that it is disorienting to have to go to on-line help for what is essentially reference material. My personal opinion of on-line help is that a company is saving $$$$ at the expense of the end-user! Also other than the TGA support I have been "under-whelmed" with AS as opposed to Ani-Pro which I still prefer over AS. Judy
#170990From: Nik Grant [adesk]May 19, 1995 5:47 PM
"My personal opinion of on-line help is that a company is saving $$$$ at the expense of the end-user!" I doubt it – I attended a lot of the meetings prior to the shipping of the product, and that wasn't ever brought up. The focus really was on the general wishlist items for all our products to have more online help. I've always felt that If people need to read the manuals, it could be because the program itself may not be written well.
#171116From: Jeffrey LererMay 21, 1995 6:13 AM
quote of the month <<I've always felt that if people need to read the manuals, it could be because the program itself may not be written well>> Nik, I've heard some good ones in my time, but that takes the cake. [gasp][thud] tenderly cleaning the covers of my 3-DS documentation, Ani-Pro lives and is more appreciated than ever, supplemental literature is always nice, I am clearly getting worked up into a snit.
#171135From: Judy WellerMay 21, 1995 12:17 PM
I second your post! Long Live Ani Pro! Judy
#171173From: Jeffrey LererMay 21, 1995 7:15 PM
Judy <<Long Live Ani Pro>> Use it every day. It will be my only app still running in DOS after the R5 migration. Do ya think those vundercoders could just write it to NT (puuuuuleeeeeeez). At this point my profound luuuuuv of Ani-Pro and Video Post within 3-DS know no bounds. I wonder what video post will look like in NT? My imagination runs wild with the possible elllllllegance, as it remains one of the most robust features for the 3-DS developer. Jeffrey
#171246From: Judy WellerMay 22, 1995 10:24 AM
I have just uncovered the fact that the reference manual is available for $19.95 + $3.00 S&H. See my post to Nik Grant. Everything sounds like "sticking it to" the end-user to me!
#171307From: Jeffrey LererMay 22, 1995 3:31 PM
Judy! <<+$3.00 S+H>> very cute.
#171385From: will taitMay 23, 1995 12:08 AM
Please tell me more. You mean to say you have discovered a manual that exists but is not with the package???? 🙁 Where did you get the information? Thanks, Will
#171422From: Judy WellerMay 23, 1995 8:37 AM
Look at the car labeled Customer Service/Technical support – see where it mentions on-line help. Read that section closely. It will tell you how to print pages AND THEN – IF YOU PREFER hard copy $19.95 + $3 (S&H) Isn't that nice 🙁 NOT! Judy
#171771From: will taitMay 24, 1995 11:05 PM
I agree completely. Good documentation is one of the real strong points that adds value to Autodesk's excellent products. Online documentation or (God Forbid) print pages then punch holes in the text to put in binder, is truly UGLY no matter what angle you look at it from. So! Enough said about that one. the bile is puked out. Will
#171136From: Judy WellerMay 21, 1995 12:17 PM
I would like to know who was at those meetings! I bet it was the "bean counters" and their abacus 🙁 <If people need to read the manuals, it could be because the program itself may not be written well.>. Does this statement apply to 3DS also? Sorry I don't buy that one – as a matter of fact it may be the joke of the week :-). If you believe that one – I have bridge for you! It's located in Brooklyn and is for sale REAL CHEAP! Judy
#171192From: will taitMay 21, 1995 11:12 PM
Nik, I personally teach classes in animation. I allways point out to students that one very good reason to use Autodesk products is that they come with the best manuals in the business. Animator Studio is a disappointment on the manual front. By the way, I sent you a request last Thursaday for information regarding saving a file mapped to a 256 color palette. No response and now the message seems to have disappeared. When I save mapped to 256 colors, when opened in the media player it is a 24 bit file. This is a real production issue for me. I am in the middle of a production cycle for commercial software that includes 256 color avi files and I am currently having to go to Premiere to map them, unless there is something in the Documentation I am missing? 🙁 Will
#171221From: Anne BrownMay 22, 1995 8:34 AM
Will – Both your messages to Nik are still on the forum (170653 and 170656). Nik has been off for a few days. I'll flag your messages and see if someone else can jump in on them. The messages here in this forum last almost three weeks. Anne
#171384From: will taitMay 22, 1995 11:56 PM
<< I'll flag your messages and see if someone else can jump in on them>> Thanks Anne. Since this is such a new product and I am trying to use it as a production tool it really is important to me that some form of help be available when the online system doesn't do it. I had the company I work for purchase several copies of Studio and I am taking heat from the users to get answers to the questions about the issues being raised. I'll leave it at that. 🙁 Will
#171423From: Anne BrownMay 23, 1995 8:38 AM
Will – Just an aside – most questions put up for a technical type answer get answered well within 24 hours. Sometimes the person who has the best knowledge of what you want is away and answers take a bit longer. From time to time, I've wandered in quest myself for answers to a problem. Main one was a failure to connect on a new modem card so I posted in the forum that supports that manufacturer. Probably sounded like a raving lunatic after two weeks of no answers to repeated postings for help. Returned the card, got another and happily modem away. Same with a software question once elsewhere. Makes me really proud to be part of the forum here and see how both members and Autodesk personnel get the questions answered. I know it's frustrating when you don't get a really quick answer when you are on a deadline of some kind. But it's pretty rare. Anne
#171513From: alec jasonMay 23, 1995 4:30 PM
Nik, While trying to load a series of .tgas into AAS, I get the message Animation Error: An internal error occurred. I have tried many times to load these .tgas and it happens each time. Any ideas why? BTW, are you still accepting wish list items for AAS here? Thanks, Alec Jason
#171661From: Nik Grant [adesk]May 24, 1995 11:43 AM
"BTW, are you still accepting wish list items for AAS here?" Yes! Thanks
#172257From: Mark YankeeMay 27, 1995 9:29 PM
Nik, << The focus really was on the general wishlist items for all our products to have more online help. >> Okay fine, but MORE online help doesn't mean forget the printed manuals. << I've always felt that If people need to read the manuals, it could be because the program itself may not be written well. >> So what you are saying is that 3DSr4 with it's close to 1200 pages of reference manuals (not even the tutorials) is not written well?? I really don't think so. All I probably can do is just pray that those same people that think Autodesk products don't need manuals don't start messing with 3DS's award winning package. Oh ya, one more thing I do know about purchasing the reference manual for AAS but I still think people should receive it automatically. Remember you said the survey report that people want MORE online-help and NOT LESS manuals. Mark
#172284From: Yost GroupMay 27, 1995 11:13 PM
You can rest assured that 3DS will always include high quality (and thorough) printed documentation. – G
#172422From: Mark YankeeMay 29, 1995 11:57 AM
Gary, << You can rest assured that 3DS will always include high quality (and thorough) printed documentation. >> You don't know how happy I am to hear that, THANK YOU! BTW, yesterday I went to see Johnny Mnemonic and I thought the 3DS work was well done and high quality work. Mark
#172598From: David RhotenMay 30, 1995 10:55 AM
I'm sure Jack will be glad to hear that! Dave