#Drawing in TS-2nd reques
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How do you draw 3-d object? Answer: very carefully.
Hi Fidaus, I have just read this string and work in TS without any cad. I use
the splines, and I find that it is best to work slow one component at a time. I
am trying to build a 3-d self-portrait just for practice. (and because I am the
only live model that I can always count on to be there when I am working)
(Grin)
This is not easy to do.
I am having sucess by begining with making small patches a nose and I do this
large then scale it done then an upper lip, a bottom lip, a front skull, a back
skull, etc. Then when I have all the components I will scale them together
along with textures, bumpmaps, and every trick I can think of to get the image
to work. Sure it would be nice to have the $100,000.00 advantage of an
institution or movie studio's equiptment but I have found that the tools that
we lack make us better craftsmen al around. Like the Programmer that worked
with a 1 k memory machine was foarced to write tighter code than the
supercomputor programer..(who probaley didn't even bother to delete mistakes
because there was no great need too.)
Believe me with or without cad TS can do the job. Art is not an easy
profession, but it has some rewards that no one can take away from you!
I do recomend the Sams book "Virtual Reality Madness and more" It has almost a
chapter or more on TS and many other related programs plus useful demos.
It was this book that introduced me to TrueSpace in the first place..I found it
very helpful.
Say you did want to draw a horse with just TS. Remember the body is basically
just a tube, the head is a conical, its leg joints basically spheres, To draw
in 3-d we have to think in 3-d.
Now for detail, that is smaller tubes, conicals, etc. Rather than try to point
edit the mouth on the head…create the mouth as separate then "pass the mouth
object" thru the cone like head to its position and scale it to fit. Eyes are
simple just spheres with texturemap…but eyelids and eyelashes now theres a
problem especially if you want them to move…you may need more than one type
to create flowing natural movement. However the macro and deform tools come in
handy for this Lighting and Fog can play a big role in creating the illusion of
reality. Camera angles also can do wonders.
Engineers must think in extremely exacting mathmatic terms to create reality,
artists do not…artists never forget (good artists anyway) that whatever D we
are working with the image is a translation and of reality onto a flat surface
in our case the screen. illusion of reality is often caused not by what we see
or percieve on that surface but often by the things that we do not see.
Remember that the errors that an artist percieves are those of one who has
studied that work for it's entire creation, keep in mind that most viewers will
spend but a mere fraction of that time even if they own the artwork. And that
an Artist will not tell. With these credeos in mind Go fourth and
create…never forgeting that as you are creating, your perceptions of your
work are being honed and changing…and from that point, you will never be the
same.
(smile) Ken–artist
PS It just my long way of saying "I dunno?!" (grin)
>> How do you draw 3-d object? Answer: very carefully.
That was very well said (the whole message) – especially the example of
modeling a horse. I think more beginners need these kind of descriptions to
help them get started creating objects. Ken, you should get in touch with some
of these people writing TS books…
Regards,
Shane.
Yeah, me..
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That was very well said (the whole message) – especially the example of
modeling a horse. I think more beginners need these kind of descriptions to
help them get started creating objects. Ken, you should get in touch with some
of these people writing TS books…
>>
Exactly, that very statement is what the 2.0 CD was/is trying to accomplish –
letting Beginners/Semi-Advanced modelers learn to look beyond the complexity of
the object they are trying to clone, and take it a step at a time. If it (the
CD) is done right, the user should be able to interactively "watch" a horse or
whatever be developed right before their eyes. That would be nice.
Thank you Shane!
I tried writing and I do write. However I am a "slow hand" and rarely have what
it takes to finnish a book. I respect writers to much to bother them and try to
take some of their credit. I do like helping people with their art…because
people helped me. Writing short stuff I might be able to manage, but I believe
it takes some greater drive than I have to actually write a whole book. My mind
jumps arround too much…this is good for an artist or at least it is good for
this artist, however it is bad for a writer.
I have tried writing novels ..and to tell the truth I get bored with the
initial idea before I've finnished five chapters then I would go start another
novel and so on and never finnish a one. It really took a good many years
before I realized that one I haven't got the special something that makes a
real writer, two that I am cursed with an extremely non-stop creative mind that
shakes off the self-disapline to stay interested in the story I am writing,
three I actually hate the works I write and most of my art work almost as fast
as I concieve the stuff…I always concieve of something I think is better.
Perhaps it is a form of insanity which drives me to constantly think of
different ways to do anything..totaly never satified by any of them. That is
why I am an artist…it is the only proffession that can contain my insanity.
I think I'm saying that I don't like to get my hopes up, obsessing over whether
or not a thing will happen or not..it keeps me from doing something at the
moment. I like to just give most of my concepts away they do me no good and I
alway have more than I need. They say that an over active mind is a terrible
thing to waste, I say that an over active mind is a hard thing to place…in
any proffession.
I recomend to all who would chase clouds to first look down at their feet, and
see that they are firmly anchored. For I have done my time floating arround up
there and nothing got done at all. Pardon me Shane I seem to be real
non-sequec' r tonight. I am flattered and do not really know how to respond.
Ken — artist
>I am trying to build a 3-d self-portrait just for practice.
I would like to see the result. Will you upload it to the forum when it's
finished?
Bye,
Marc
e-merge
Yes MArc I will! However not until I like what I see…and that is going to
take a while. However when I call it finnished…whether I like it or not I
will upload it with the apropriate disclaimer. (grin)
How should I pronounce your interesting last name? (pardon my ignorance)
Thank you Marc if you want anytime go to the various graphic libs and use the
keyword "klammer" to see whatever uploads I have uploaded. This is my always
use keyword so that I can find my own uploads. (I forget sometimes which of the
files on my disk that I have uploaded and have to check on occation)
It is nice to see interest in my efforts, Thank you!
Ken –artist
Well said..
Gee thank you Terry..want to found my fan club? (chuckle)
Have you seen any of my small works yet in the uploads? How is the CD
coming…I have the free sample CIS cd,and the TS cd, are you on that? (Haven't
looked at it in a while, but it was interesting) I usually review such disks
once a month on an all day visual input binge. (grin) My modem is too slow to
upload avi's (2400) now however I have a friend who has one 14,400 and that
should make is a bit faster. heheh
however the friends machine is slower than mine 33mgz vs 100 mgz and I wonder
about that. What CIM setting works best for avi's? I had a time with the
stills..I assumed that binary would do it and uploaded TGA's nope! so I had to
convert (you know this) to GIF or JPG, I choose jpg because it seemed to have
better color retention at 100% quality setting. I hope that they look alright.
I assumed that most of the conversion problems would have been solved by now
like hassle free…but I often expect more than reality gives. (hehehe)
Tell me something about yourself? I am curious.
Friend, Ken–artist
Well, I've got stuff on both the trueClips CD and I did the opening animation
on the CompuServe Feb/March CD.. If you want a 14.4 modem, let me know.. I've
got a used one I'll let go for a song (or maybe some cool stuff for the CD <g>)
>> Tell me something about yourself? I am curious.
Well, Hmm… Maybe others that know me would be better at this, since I'm so
humble.. <g> I do have quite long hair, as many people here have pointed out..
<VBG> Other than that, I'm trying to write a book on trueSpace for a major
publisher. In my spare time, I have a wife and a 100lb. Golden Retriever.. <g>
Also, get 3D Artist Magazine! (Want a sample?) I write for that when I come up
with some cool stuff..
C 'ya..
Gee, Terry, it just so happens that I have a rather large collection of bad
songs which I have written over the decades. (chuckle,wondering if Terry could
have guessed what he had gotten him self into). About every year or so I find
myself good for nothing but doing my totally unproffessional hatchet job on
music composition (sorta like Sherlock Holmes without his candy). Some of the
"stuff" is interesting and goes back to my garage band teenage years when "Rock
stardom" seemed like a good carreer decission, I am sure you may know of some
one some where who can relate to that experience. I spent more years than I
care to say pursueing willfully this carreer without the well rounded talent
and ability to keep a band together (or even from mutaney and plotting to
through me in the river…any river (grin)). Finnally I decided for the good
of everyone that my desire was not matching of my talents (although My
compositions are meritous "not bad" worth stealing even (and have been) I
believe that the music world is better off (and so am I without me)
participating a great deal in it. Tell you what, I am so strapped that I offer
you Two limited editions (small dry points) personalized and signed (not to
mention printed by my own hands) and one tape of whatever songs I hope will not
rattle the nerves some of the tapes are not unplesant to listen to , I think
(but I am not sure that I am totally without bias) In trade for your modem. I
am pretty sure that these three items may one day purchase the price of a
college education for your Great-grandchildren…although they are of no
monitary worth now. If that is acceptible to you, all that is needed is a way
to share addresses, I believe mine is open book on CIS so that we can complete
this friendly transaction. (smile) However do not feel obligated..I will get a
better modem in a few monthes… and I am not impatient about these things as
in my youth.
During my lets see who can grow the longest hair days when everybody it seemed
was in the competition I grow a full six foot length of hair (and I believe it
could have reached twelve but it was getting heavy and I tended to trip on it
when it got much past the six foot mark. On windy winter Manhatten day at Union
Square and St.Marks place while crossing the street …my hair blew acrossed my
eyes, (it takes time to clear hair that long from ones eyes in the wind). Well
I sorta heard the screeching of a lot of wheels as I was doing this (could have
sworn the light was green for my crossing) and when I finely cleared my
wonderful hair I was starttled by the fact that I was surrounded by a bus and a
cab that were less than one inch from my legs. After musing this experience of
charmed life that evening I cut my hair. (sob, said I never would) Howver my
new look was a crew cut and shoalin cue wrapped arround my neck with a silver
spear tip at the end eventually that went to and I reverted to the plain old
long, combed straight back and cut at the neck hair southwestern pre-Beatles
haircut of my youth which I continue to wear to this very day. I have grown a
chin bread (which I do every winter) but this year I may keep it, because this
year my chin wiskers are grey, and it hass been a full 47 years to finely look
my age (haelulah!) the trend of my live has been to be considered way too far
younger than I am and I am so happy. ( I was carded for a beer less than five
years ago, believe me it is amusing but it gives resistance to being taken
serious. My friend and I, Alyce, share two Dalmations which I prodded her to
get when she decided dogs are nice for that safe feeling when living in the
country. Pookie the eldest male fancies himself a great singer and like to sing
to all the greats as the commercial fly by CNN. Chinie a.k.a. China was adopted
and is a female of vigorous youthful energy, she fancies that it it her job to
see we all get our exercise religously. They both come close to 100lbs but are
not fat just very muscular because they workout chasing their rabbits and
squirrls daily.
I would like to sample 3d Artist Magazine, send some tearsheets of your
articles or xeroxes please.
I will send you copies of my "zine" (grin) humbley called "KEN" which I created
but never distributed much. I would like you proffessional opinion of my
efforts as editor, writer and publisher. (chuckle) There are only two editions
to date however I am mulling over a third but haven't got the "itch" quite yet
to actually spend the time it takes to produce it. My father was a
printer\publisher and my mother an artist\art dirrector, so I sorta just need
to keep my hand in publishing somehow.
I'm pretty much of a city person by prefferance although I grew up in radicall
"stick" of Maine, Mid. Ill. and later the foothills of Tucson, Arizonia (were I
spent my teens). I love the isolation of the "sticks" however I need to
socialize… and my overactive mind is a bit too much for local socializing to
take place. Big cities enjoy my mind but my lack of acedmic credits prevents me
from being able to suport my self in the cities anymore. That is why I love
On-line it is a great forum for ideas and socializing on a level of maturity.
With it the "stick" and the rejection do not cause massive depression which I
can live with but truthfully do not look forward to. (grin)
All in all I enjoy a pretty good life and keep myself quite active with
producing whatever my mind concieves…I enjoy freedom that very few
individuals could even think about…but there is always a price and I am
paying mine.
Terry it is nice to know a fellow artist with a (VBG).
Write soon,
Ken–de artist
Ps What is your dogs name, my dogs want to know! They keep after me to build
them an interface so that they can use the computer also. (churtle)
Hey, you've given me new inspiration! <g> For our trueSpace CD, I'd like to
request from anyone listening here, that they send in songs/music/sound F/X
too! Many trueSpace people need that kind of stuff for backgrounds, etc.. So,
if you have created and *own* the rights to it, then please send it in and
we'll try to get it into the trueSpace CD!
Ken, my dog's name is Nikko.. OK, so he likes to watch Steven Segal movies
too.. <G>
Thank you. I have been waiting for a reply like this for weeks
Firdaus
I'm flattered. THank you.
When it comes to the proffession of art, I find it is an exercise in refreshing
the things learned long ago bby helping (or trying to) help others who are
struggling. Sometimes I find myself in a slump (ie burn-out, unproductive) and
I find it helps to go back and look at some of my earlier work (sketchbooks,
etc).
This has always been a strange experience, in the sense that as I review years
old work that I had all but forgotten about…it seems fresh. An objectivity of
self manifests were I percieve my younger self as an other individual which
just happens to be me. I am often amazed to find that works I created that I
hated take on a knew meaning…showing a dirrection or beginning of an
evolution of art. Talking to others who take the challanges of art creation
also helps me get a better perspective of myself and my work.
This is what I find that is so interesting about art…when we create something
it is part of our being,,,it is an insightful experience which is bewildering
and difficult to explain in simple terms or phrases.
From this experience I have found that I am much more consistant than I would
appear to myself or others in any given year. For the consistancy only appears
after viewing at least a decade of my efforts. I have learned that my work and
choice of subject matter has a definate cycle which seems to be rehashed and
(hopely) improved apon with each reappearance in any present time. Sorta like a
time machine for the self, but also a map for others.
When I look at other peoples creations over a time if they are living or as a
retrospective if they are gone; I find that I know these people at a depth of
similar experience. Whether hobbie or carreer the creation of art is a
personal adventure into the spirit it has many unseen benifits which only time
and effort relinguishes to any person. These are just passing abstract thoughts
that I seem to be using as filler. (grin)
WHen do I get to see some of your work, Firdaus?
Ken –artist
In the e-mail world of rapid, but sometimes shallow replies (I'm a culprit of
those as much as anyone), I really appreciated your thoughtful answer. Thanks!
Hey, clean out your mailbox.. <g> I tried to e-mail you on 3 subjects, but it's
full…
It is? How do I do that? How can I tell when it is full? (worried about loss of
fan mail) (grin)
This mail system is a bit confusing…I wish that all the forum maill would
come to the main box address. You mean I missed 3 e-mails from you? This is
terrible!
(sigh) (pulling hair, beads of sweat rolling down brow over unshaven face
racked (not) with the insessant pain of ROOT-CANAL, the artist cries, holding
his head in his sinuey arms of 10 pt. steel…(sobbing) "This is a REAL
bummer!" repeatly between frenzied outbrusts of "Napolean has NOTHING on ME!"
to the background sounds of Mic Jagger singing "A train comes toooo the
station….ther' re' TWO liiiights behind OOoooooooooooo ddda TRai…….etc.)
while the sony Trinitron tuned the MAx is showing the EAR scene in the movie
"Blue Velvet"….but the artist notices not…for he is colasped in a hovel on
the floor near the plasicine bust of Star Trexs "Mr. Spock" next to the 8 x 10
glossy of Dianna Riggs portreying "EMMA PEEL" of the British series the
"Avengers". It would have made a good painting but the artist was beyound
seeing it…for he had gotten up to make popcorn which he flavoured with
lemon\rosemarry\garlic butter.
in other words…ok.
(Grinning profusely)
Ken –artist
PS how do you like Ken's MatchBox? It is a rough, I haven't percieved the image
for the background yet. Also How do I upload a COB object?
Ken, sorry to dissapoint, but I was telling Konstantin that his mailbox was
full.. Liked the matchbox.. Keep 'em coming! You should first PKZIP all .cob's
and/or .scn's.. Then, just upload them like you did your .jpg's..
C 'ya..
Do not feel bad Konstantin! I must confess that I am unemployed and have plenty
of time to indulge in lengthy discourse. Plus the fact that I lack any of the
restraints that are prerequisite to success in this "real" world. (grin)
It is always nice to have friends like you that care to review my ramblings.
Terry informs me that my mail box is full…I didn't know that was possible.
In truth, there have been long periods in my life where I do not (for some
reason) contact anyone for any reason. I think it is my love for spontanious
art that has carried over into my personality or v.s. All I know is that if I
wait until I'm ready…things flow with ease and when I burn-out evenually I
aways begin again with the same vigour. I haven't been a 9 to 5 person for
almost 20 years. I understand its restraints too well and have done best (that
is turning my aledged vices into virtues) working freelance.
It is not an easy road (what road is?) sometimes I''m rolling in work to the
extend of 36 hour days, other times I just sit and contemplate getting a "real"
job…usually I just sleep a lot til it passes. When we begin the road to
adulthood we have two basic choices to do the traditional road (job, family,
kids, nestegg,home) or to explore the pathes few tread (high risk, little
comfort, poverty, lonelyness) in hope of discovering something to share and
inspire those who do not have the luxury of what is considered extroridary
"freedom" by some. I have found that "freedom" is just the cage we do not
percieve and that each of us holds the keys if only we reknew our vision of
what we already have.
Courage is another misnoumer of the free life…basically we who (dare) tred
little traveled paths are there because it is where we can survive and little
other reason there is no courage to it at all! Yet I have found that if I do
not get warped, or twisted into a ball of anger for what I have denieghed
myself I ahve some great tales to tell and maps to show for it all. Which I
believe is a far better way to walk these unwalked paths than walking them for
real. (grin) move over PLATO!
If may banter gives you pleasure and perhaps insight, I am more than proud of
myself and happy to through-out more.
Just an artist with lots of time on his hands,
Ken –artist redundant (chuckle)