#SCSI confusion…
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Larry,
On a drive that can do multiple head read/writes at once…certainly
it's possible. Those aren't "consumer" drives. On a drive that can only
read or write one head at a time…it's physically impossible.
Don
Don,
The Seagate Elite II is capable of at least 8 megabytes/second transfer rate.
I don't know how they do it, but they do (RPM, for example, is in excess of
5000). We did not differentiate between 'consumers' and anyone else when we
sold the drives.
-larry
I have a ST 41600N, full height 1.6 (1.36) gig.
Do you know if this is an Elite II series drive capable of what you've
mentioned?
Dave
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Dave,
Its an Elite I; 5200RPM spindle speed, 5m/sec drive…SCSI-2 (not fast),
256k buffer.
Not sure how it stacks up with other drives. What did you pay for yers?
//Jonathan,
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Alot less then you could ever believe….about $700 1 year ago.
(DEALER pricing at that time was $2800)
I know people, lets leave it at that.
Dave
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Larry, I really don't think the Elite II drive is capable of 8MB / second,
except from the drive's cache to the host. That is certainly only a momentary
burst, and cannot be sustained. I guess I'll have to check the docs at work
(we have them for just about every not astronomically priced drive around), but
I believe the Barracuda's are the fastest Seagate SCSI drives right now.
Seagate does have one parallel model (i.e., very fast) but that has an IPI (big
blue type) interface.
Could you tell me how you determined that it can do 8MB / second sustained?
Thanks, Paul.
> Could you tell me how …
Created and read back a 200 MByte file.
-larry
Now what controller was this on that you read a 200MB file in at 8MB / second?
I think it was made by a company called something like 'Perfect Technologies'.
It was an S-Bus SCSI host adapter.
-larry
Well, I checked out the specs of Elite II drives. Impressive, but nowhere near
8MB/second. Theoretically it could do 5'ish, but even then, not sustained.
I'd guess closer to 3 sustained.
Paul.
Fascinating. Unfortunately, I won't have an opportunity to duplicate the test
anytime soon.
-larry
Larry,
Since you are familar with the Seagate Elite series…perhaps you can help
me…
1. How well does the Elite I perform? Is it a "fast" drive? How would it
compare to, say, a Quantum Pro240S, or a Seagate ST1480N (both in my
machine right now).
2. What is a good street price on these babies?
Thanks!
//Jonathan,
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The Elite I was a good performer, and we never had complaints about speed.
Don't know what speed it was, though.
No idea on prices. I only fixed them, which consisted of replacing them when
they failed.
-larry
Larry,
Thanks for the information.
The only pricing I found in Computer Shopper was for around $1700,
although this sounded very high (considering that you can get a Fujitsu
drive of the same capacity for a *lot* less, perhaps $400 less). Is there
any reason for this pricing? Guess that is what I'm trying to find out.
//Jonathan,
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I don't really know if there is a reason for the pricing difference or not. We
sold the Imprimis product, which is what the better, faster Seagate product now
are. They have always carried a premium price compared to other drive
manufacturers, and for the most part (with at least one notable exception) have
been worth their premium price. The notable exception is the Wren IV, 327 meg
drive, which I consider to be worth its weight in lead.
-larry
Larry,
Thanks for info. I expect that the former Imprimis product is considered
to be a "premium" drive, and leave it at that.
//Jonathan,
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Jonathan,
how satisfied are you with your Seagate ST1480N 426 MB drive? I am
considering purchasing one right now.
Regards, J0RGEN ….from DENMARK
Joergen,
How much are you paying for the drive?
I was able to get the Seagates for next to nothing, so I am very
satisfied. They seem to be about the same speed as my Quantum 240S,
perhaps a bit slower…other than that, it seems to be a pretty good
drive.
//Jonathan,
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Well, next to nothing is not quite my price. I have seen it at around $770
at a discount PC dealer, and tonight I just saw an ad from a guy, who
wanted to sell his for around $540.
These prices may be a bit higher than in the U.S., but recently hardware
prices really have come down in this country. The A4091 SCSI controller is
only $245 list price (with 25% sales tax it goes at $307).
Regards, J0RGEN ….from DENMARK
Larry,
I realize that anyone can buy pretty much any drive they wish. They
can also buy pretty much any computer they wish…for the right price.
I consider consumer drives to be those that cost in the $2,000 or less
ball park. Joe Average Consumer won't generally put out $10,000 for a HD for
his $1,500 computer.
Don
Well, I don't know what we sold the Elite II drives for, but it was likely more
than $2,000. It was also pretty far under $10,000 (and those are Cdn prices).
Seems to me our most expensive drives were in the order of 5 grand or so, but
I'm really not sure.
-larry
Larry,
I would suspect that Sun's prices aren't that much different than other
major computer manufacturers. Our 1 Gig drives from NCR cost us $12,000 in an
external case. They're made by HP. HP's prices for the same drive are
similar.
Don
This wasn't Sun. Our drives were priced significantly below Sun's.
We had no 1 Gig drives that expensive.
-larry