#Deep Space 9
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Actually they are vastly different problems. An example is a clay model
of a person. You can roll the clay into a ball or a suasage thereby
changing its shape. Try turning 5 pounds of clay into a 1/2 pound cup and
you'll find it isn't quite the same or nearly as easy.
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Mark,
Changing your basic shape is pretty darned problematic as well, though.
Tried it lately? 😉
Best theory I've heard so far: ODO exists in more than three dimensions.
When he needs to alter mass, he just pours a portion of himself into
another dimension.
Of course that must be a strange dimension. Matter appearing and
disappearing at random times and places I assume. Hope no one steals his
matter while hes not looking, be one heck of a way to lose an arm?!?!?
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MH: Of course that must be a strange dimension. Matter appearing and
MH: disappearing at random times and places I assume. Hope no one
MH: steals hismatter while hes not looking, be one heck of a way to lose
MH: an arm?!?!?
It doesn't really have to be that strange at all. I once read a book
called Flatland (or was to Flatworld), about a 2 dimensional world
populated by polygons (triangles, squares, pentagons, etc.)
They had length and width, but no height. Then one day a SPHERE visted
them. It floated above them, and they couldn't see it, but it could be
heard. The sphere passed through the 2D plane to be seen, but the sqaure
saw only a small circle appearing out of "nowhere" then grow larger then
smaller. The sphere could also "invisibly" touch the insides of the
square from above.
If the shapeshifter also exists in such away, then he could appear to
change mass, simply by touching a smaller/larger portion of his mass to
our more limited (detectable) number of planes.
Ron.
– ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasles aren't sucked
into jet engines.)
Actually, as a sphere passes thru Flatland, the square would see a line
not a circe since his vision would be limited to one dimension, much like
we are limited to 2 dimension sight.
Again, it must be a strange added dimension though. Since it shares our
dimensions with its added on top of it, they would have to constantly be
aware not only of the actions in their general space, but also be careful
not to effect the other dimensions they don't want to act in. And still
their is the problem of altering his mass shape and appearance.
I suppose I ask to many questions, and it is called fiction. 🙂
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Yeah – but the mass that has to be moved to move a flat lander is of a
different order than that to move a three dimensional-er. Think of what it
might mean for someone with most of his mass in another dimension. It
might be a tad hard to move him in three….
{@_@}
I don't question the ability of a four dimension creature being able to
move in a three dimension world, my main problem is how does it move in
both at the same time coherently. While being Odo in DS9 he would also be
Odo or something else in the other dimension. Now he has to move in both
at the same time interating in both, reacting in both surviving in both.
Seems a bit to much to ask of my imagination.
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mark,
Just because you exist in multi dimensions does not mean you have
seperate lives in all those dimensions. You live in three (actually 4),
is it hard for you to keep track of what you are doing in each? How do
you move in all at the same time coherently? It is a natural act for you
so it is for Odo.
…Steve
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Steve,
I function just fine ( most would say at least ) in our three dimension
world. But I thick I would have problems interacting in our three
dimension world, and a two dimension world at the same time. What if I am
about to be hit by a three dimension car but if I react I would also react
in the two dimension world, that is probably inevitable. If there were a
four dimension creature interacting in our dimensions his behavour would
have to be consistent in ours and the others. That is my problem with
behavour of 4d beings.
4d+ objects that share our 3d in with theirs cause another problem. If
I shoot a bullet, does it interact with the other dimensions I cant
percieve? If someone in the 4d+ universe shoots a bullet, does the 3d
part of that bullet effect me? If not, why not?
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Mark:
The thing you fail to realise is that we DO live in a 4d world, only thing
is that as humans we're not aware of the 4th d. A 4d life form is just
aware of more dimensions than we are, they're not actually living in any
more. Just because WE are unaware of something doesn't mean it ain't
there. It's the old story of the tree falling in the forest, and nobody
around to hear it. Did it make a sound? 🙂
// -Mike Schiller
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Mike,
We, arguably, live in a 13d world.
-Sean
Mike,
I wont grant the existance of dimensions beyond the 3 we know of since
although theory may postulate their existance, there is no proof of their
existance either experimental or mathmatical. Unless of course your
include time as a dimension ( which I would accept ). If we say "just
because we are not aware of something doesnt mean it aint there" is an
very old argument. Its been used as an arguement for the existance of
many thing include a supreme being, and it still holds no validity as a
proof. I could say that pigs can fly, although you never saw one doesnt
mean they cant.
BTW: Of course the tree made a sound. 🙂
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Actually, Mike, it doesn't make a sound. The technical definition of sound
is "a vibration in a solid or a fluid"; i.e., while the waves that cause a
sound can propagate through air they aren't a sound until they hit
something solid, i.e. your eardrum. (This assumes that your tree fell in
the middle of nothing.)
<g>
Mark:
Of course it can be done. It was done years ago by the mice in The
Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy, when they explained that mice are but
the tip of a pan dimensional being of superior intelegence than man.
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Mike,
are we all then just the 3d extension of some higher form. Theres one
heck of a defense, you cant convict me, I didn't do it, whoever controls
me did it. Much like we dont convict an arm of hitting someone, since it
only obeys its controller. hmmm…..
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Some of the middle eastern countries still kind of follow that – steal,
they cut off your hands. Punishing the culprit, eh? <grin> I think we
ought to do something similar to rapists, if you get my drift.
–Ben
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Rather a stretch of justice me-thinks. My opinion is capital punishment
and extreme methods of justice as cutting of a hand or putting out an eye
are not a deterent to crime. States that enact capital punishment, from
what I have heard, experience no decrease in crime. If it doenst work as
a deterent, then it is vengence. And vengence isn't justice. Hammurabi
was wrong.
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<<While being Odo in DS9 he would also be Odo or something else in the
other dimension.>>
Persistance of vision!
Nononono. Odo is actually a 37mm tall amoeboid intelligence who can mimic
the holodeck using mental telepathy and telekenesis and mental projection.
This gives him the ability to imitate almost anything be it a life form or
a wall or a bag. He projects holographic images of what he wants to look
like so even scanners pick him up properly. (Um, VERY ADVANCED holodeckish
effects there.)
Actually he is a devout coward continually afraid someone will
accidentally stepp on him with nasty consequences. Somehow he got roped
into his job as security officer and cannot seem to get out of it
honorably. (He was brought up with a VERY strict code of honor …)
{O,o}
Joanne,
I think you got it right, there.
Last episode he mentioned that he must revert back to his true form every
18 hours to recharge, and that during that time a murder was committed
which someone was trying to pin on him. He had no alibi since he said he
was in his office, actually in a PAIL, while the murder occured.
Chris
Please don't post what's happened in an episode until a week after you see
it – some of us are a bit further behind. You didn't give away anything I
wouldn't have seen anyway, but you could have… thanks!
Robert,
I thought it was already aired nationwide! Just where are you and how far
behind in episodes? Don't tell me you pick up the broadcast after it
bounces off the moon or something? Well, I barely ever keep up with ANY
show on an episode by episode basis, I was just lucky this time. Well, I
won't tell you about the ahemm… scenario but that I did figure out the
perp. of the murder well before the show was over. That murder was also
used in the trailers for episode, so I don't think I'm giving up too much
info. Remember Joanne said he was an amoeba, not me. Hehehe!
Chris
Chris,
DS9 is syndicated. Although I've already seen the ep you mentioned thanks
to a friend with a sat dish and vcr, it doesn't air here until next
Saturday.
Chris,
DS-9 is syndicated and it is up to the individual stations as to when
it will air. The Satilite feed goes up on Saturday (I believe) and the
stations tape it for play back on whatever schedule they have set up.
Some places do not broadcast it till the following Saturday.
We could take the method used in the Sci-Fi forum and whenever you wish
to discuss a un aired or recently air show that chances are everyone has
not seen is to include the message title in brackets "<Odo Sleeps in
Bucket>" and if you saw the brackets you would know to not read that
message, or not to collecti ti (if you are gatering headers.
…Steve
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Steve,
I guess then I see the actual sat feed. If I had known I was discussing an
episode that has been unseen by the 'other side' of the country I would
have refrained comment. However, when I read another's comment about ODO
which I was replying to, I had presumed the show had been nationally
broadcast, my error. Usually, I pretty much 'lurk' around the sci-fi
thread, it gets too sci-fi-tific for my participation. I prefer to enjoy
the quiet chuckles I get reading the thread's authors' posts. You'll enjoy
this episode, but any good Sherlock Holmes fan will fathom the mystery
well before the first third of the show is over.
It's all elementary, my dear Watson.
Chris
I read part of your message before I realized what you were talking about
and stopped reading….
Remember that not everyone has seen the next show yet. 🙁
Steve
Steve,
I thought DS9 aired on Monday nights nation-wide? Are you saying that it
is shown on different days in other areas? When does it get repeated? How
was I to know that it? See the parent message I was replying to.
Chris
It's up to the local stations to decide when to air the shows. They work
it the same way as they did for The Next Generation.
Steve
Steve:
What are the local air times for DS9? I've only seen the pilot episode.
// -Mike Schiller
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Re: ODO existing in multiple dimensions.
Not a bad idea. It has been done before. ODO doesn't know where he is
from and it was hinted at that he may be from the wormhole in the pilot.
-Jerry