#IM R/t & EGS
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Hi Ben. Received my IMR/t update today. Just spent the last couple of hours
catalogging all my images. Great Feature! Any plans in the works to offer a
render script for the GVP EGS card?
Thanks!
Trent Johnson
Glad you like the catalog. :^)
GVP has declined to provide us with an EGS card on either a permanent or
temporary basis. So for the moment (and as long as that situation
persists) there are no such plans.
Do keep in mind that GVP markets NOVA's "ImageFX" and as such is
attempting to compete with Imagemaster R/t – so although we _have_ asked,
you might be being a little optomistic if you expect them to come thru…
OTOH, such a script may surface from an end user – that's happened a
number of times already for several cards. For instance, we've never seen
some of the cards that are out there, but they come with drivers for IM
R/t. That could happen any number of ways for the EGS (but again, probably
not from GVP).
–Ben
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Thanks for the information Ben. It's too bad that nasty thing called
'competition' still exists! :-> Personally, I have from day one (almost) used
ImageMaster, Image FX, and ADPro and find them ALL indispensible. You just
can't have too many image processing tools. (Even if you have PhotoShop!) :->
Trent
Actually, if you have Photoshop, you need other image processing tools, as
it's a very weak sister in that catagory. Good for prepress, tho.
Competition is fine with me, long as it's accurate. Things like Brent
Malnacks article in the recent Amigaworld are pretty annoying, but what
can you do – there are still a lot of people out there who are
hallucinating. :^)
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–Ben
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>Actually, if you have Photoshop, you need other image processing tools,
>as it's a very weak sister in that catagory. Good for prepress, tho.
>Competition is fine with me, long as it's accurate. Things like Brent
What is your opinion on photoshops userinterface?
Personaly i find i far superior of all the Amiga programs..
Geir Molstad, FAMO as, Fax +47 22357797
What? Photoshop? It's a nice program, but there is very little you can
actually _do_ with it, compared to Imagemaster R/t. It's got fewer area
selection tools, hundreds fewer operations, and lacks even the most basic
special effects.
If prepress is your goal (color separations, etc) then Photoshop's a
winner. Otherwise, it's only a winner in the marketing sense – many people
use it because they just don't know any better.
–Ben
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>What? Photoshop? It's a nice program, but there is very little you can
>actually _do_ with it, compared to Imagemaster R/t. It's got fewer area
My point was that:
If i go to a store for red tomatoes, i go to the counter and pick red
tomatoes on what i see, not what it sayes on a sign beneath.
If i ain't colour blind.
A "realtime preview" of the effects would give the user less "undo and try
again" waste of time.
Geir Molstad, FAMO as, Fax +47 22357797
"My point was that: if i go to a store for red tomatoes, i go to the
counter and pick red tomatoes on what i see, not what it says on a sign
beneath. If i aint color blind"
Ahem. That was, shall we say, less than clear. If you are referring to
color accuracy, IM R/t's is as good as the display device you use as far
as "what you see" goes. It's 24 bit accurate regardless for operations, of
course. If, on the other hand, you were making a reference to perceived
power of Photoshop as compared to the perceived power of Imagemaster R/t,
it's not just something "on a sign", it's a flat out _fact_ that IM R/t
can do a heck of a lot more than Photoshop ever could, in any version,
revision or for any platform PhotoShop is made in/for.
If you're saying something else completely, I aplogize but I found your
message pretty difficult to understand. Perhaps you could restate your
position more plainly?
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Ok heres another "my opinion" thing..
1 = Bad
10 = Top
Photoshop IM rt
Userinterface 9 4
Imagehandling 7 5
Number of effects 6 8
Learning curve 8 3
Sorry for my english. Skulle gjerne ha kunnet det mye bedre.
Geir Molstad, FAMO as, Fax +47 22357797
Ok, I'll buy that. :^)
Here's _my_ opinion:
PhotoShop IM R/t
Userinterface 5 (childish) 5 (very powerful)
Imagehandling 5 (typical) 8 (superior)
Number of effects 1 (minimal) 7 (lots! but room for more)
Learning curve 7 (none!) 5 (good for what's there)
Flexibility 2 (somewhat) 7 (best there is, but improvable)
Quality of effects 5 (good) 7 (excellent)
Prepress 7 (excellent) 3 (moderate to "ok")
Color Reduction 1 (poor) 10 (best in the market anywhere)
Morphing 0 (nonexistant) 7 (excellent)
Expandability 7 (excellent) 8 (superior)
Price 1 (far too high) 10 (price/performance leader)
Documentation 5 (ok, limited) 7 (massive details, cutting edge)
So there's obviously more than one way to look at this. :^)
–Ben
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Geir,
Does Photoshop give you real-time previews of every effect, in any display
mode? Pardon my inexperience, but I had the feeling that Photoshop would only
preview certain effects, such as Saturation, when in 256-color indexed display
mode. The reson is simple: Photoshop only needs to update the 256 colors in the
palette, rather than compute the change on the potentially multi-megabyte image
being processed. Imagemaster can't do this, because it can't rely on there
being a 256-color indexed display active at the moment. Imagemaster owners run
the program on true 24-bit displays, AGA HAM-8 displays and the lust goes on.
From what I've been led to believe, Photoshop offers previews in certain
situations when it's computationally trivial to do so. Is this true? If not,
please enlighten me, as I'm a big Photoshop fan, but have no access to the
program at home or at work.
By the way, to preview an effect in Imagemaster, just clip out a representative
sample of your main image, and try out the effect on _that_. Effects will be
computed quickly, you can press <u> to undo the change and <a> to bring up the
effect's control panel again, where you can alter the parameters and try again.
True, it's not a real-time preview, but it allows relatively painless
experimentation.
Blaq!
>Does Photoshop give you real-time previews of every effect, in any
>display mode? Pardon my inexperience, but I had the feeling that
No, but the most important ones (imho)
Geir Molstad, FAMO as, Fax +47 22357797
Geir,
From what I've seen and read about Photoshop, it's less powerful than
Imagemaster, but much more streamlined — typical, everyday functions are
easily accessed using the mouse and maybe a modifier key, whereas Imagemaster
seems to require 4 steps to do amything.
Of course, Photoshop is also 5 times the price. <g>
Blaq!
Yeah, I agree. BTW, I've been writing up a response to send to GVP over this
EGS situation. After all, ADPro supports EGS cards, and it bugs me when
developers are stingy for the wrong reasons.
In any case, There's been no decrease in use of IM R/t around my shop. Even
though we had such an old version of IM, I found the transition to the latest
R/t a snap. Kudos to you and your people!
Trent/ReAnimators
Thank you!
–Ben
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