CompuServe Thread

Summa

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#32819From: CSA/CAJan 20, 1993 4:05 PM
Gary, I think Autodesk and the Yost Group need to revisit the Animator Pro and 3D Studio drivers for the Summasketch digitizers. I am experiencing problems in fast machines, using your internal drivers. The below is a specific example with the Summasketch III (MM1201), but enough other problems have been experienced for me to think something's up. Animator Pro, for instance, on a Micronics 486/66DX2, locks up frequently in a reproducible manner, always when the disk is briefly accessed (such as a menu pick after a Browse). Control is returned in approx. 30 seconds. No problems if Summa is in mouse emulation. BTW, I am using hardware interrupt 14 for a SCSI controller. The Micronics motherboard has serial/parallel on the motherboard, thus may be driving it faster than if in an add-in slot. I don't have the means to easily disable the on-board ports & try it with an add-in I/O card. Motion is smooth. I can reproduce by doing a Browse, playing a .FLI file, then pulling down the Poco menu, Load, cancel, exit – locks on exit. I've tried the various external cache disable, -novm, other serial port, etc. Tablet diags are fine, Summa II shows same behavior, although response time is somewhat different, works in Windows, AutoCAD, etc. Behavior in 3D Studio w/internal driver: cursor "bounces" occasionally when 4-button puck is at rest – flashes to another position inside the viewport, sometimes into another viewport, coord display @ top does change numbers, then returns to resting place. Freehand draw in Shaper is smooth, no lockups, although the "bounce" when at rest (with button held down) does add some wild points. Changing -vscan settings from 16000 to 40000 to 80000 do not affect this. In summary, I feel that there may be some timing issue in fast machines that is attributable to your driver (possibly to PharLap, although I doubt it), and that you should attempt a workaround (perhaps as a custom device for AAPRO – an IDR?). Please try to investigate it further. Thanks. Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
#32838From: Yost GroupJan 20, 1993 6:09 PM
When we were working on 3DSr2, we realized that we needed to be a lot more flexible in dealing with digitizers, and we put quite a bit of work into r2 to make it compatible with DGPADI (digitizing/pointing device) drivers. That was _supposed_ to make it easy for tablet manufacturers to write DGPADI drivers that worked correctly in 3DSr2. Unfortunately, I don't think any of the tablet manufacturers have put any specific energy into supporting 3DS as of yet. Oh well… Animator Pro is another story. The IDR (input device driver) interface in that program was developed by Jim Kent to make it possible to write drivers externally for pointing devices, but the IDR format wasn't made widely available enough to do any good. I've passed on all the information I've gotten about problems with AAP and pointing devices to Jim, and I hope he'll have some success in dealing with it. – G
#32862From: CSA/CAJan 20, 1993 9:49 PM
Gary, I'd really appreciate it if this Summa question finally got the attention it deserves. AutoCAD 12 broke enough drivers. Unless you can pull in manufacturer support specifically for 3D Studio and Animator Pro, Autodesk (or the Yost Group) needs to keep up with the latest and greatest. In this instance, I think machine speeds may have overtaken a portion of your code. Either way, I'd like you to touch base now and again regarding the problem. Thanks. Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
#32877From: Yost GroupJan 21, 1993 12:05 AM
I would like to put it to bed just as much as you would (more, even). We actually think we _have_ done that with 3DS, because the DGPADI interface actually does work. If you can find any problems with that, please let me know and we'll deal with them in r3. Animator Pro is a different story… Jim Kent has his own way of doing things, and I just haven't been able to influence him strongly enough to make certain changes in the code. I'm sorry, but I'm trying my best. – G
#32944From: CSA/CAJan 21, 1993 1:05 PM
Gary, I'll follow up in a few days (next visit) regarding whether DGPADI now helps in 3D Studio. I am nothing if not tenacious. Kevin <death grip> Krell – Computer Support Associates
#32845From: Paul LindJan 20, 1993 6:34 PM
Gary, Since 3DStudio apparently uses standard ADI drivers, why couldn't the Summa drivers for ACAD work? I know that AniPro has its own driver class but it seems that a driver could be compiled from the standard code with the ADI kit and then accessed as an external driver as the Wacom SD42 is. I've been using a couple of SummaSketch II's without any problem, but I'd be glad to try to compile new external drivers and test them. Or am I over simplifying all of this? Paul
#32861From: CSA/CAJan 20, 1993 9:49 PM
Paul, Summa tech support, when asked, stated that their drivers are for AutoCAD only, not for use with 3D Studio. Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
#32906From: Paul LindJan 21, 1993 4:58 AM
Kevin, Far be it from me to dispute Summa tech support, but I took the time to use the ADI driver development toolkit last night and I compiled the standard SummaSketch ADI (DGPSUMI.EXP). The driver has worked fine for the last 7 hours. It is extremely responsive in Studio, haven't yet compiled for AniPro. In addition the extreme sensitivity of the keyframer found with the internal Summa driver doesn't exist with the ADI implementation. Upon initial setup, it goes through its normal questions for an ADI device and tada it works like a dream. Since it is simply polling the tablet, there shouldn't be any real differences in the drivers anyway. Paul
#32922From: Yost GroupJan 21, 1993 10:24 AM
Paul, it's great to hear that the DGPADI driver works exactly the way it's supposed to. Thanks for confirming that for me. – G
#32943From: CSA/CAJan 21, 1993 1:05 PM
Paul, Does the DGPSUMI.EXP use polling rather than interrupts? I had other trouble before with the DGPADI driver, but I've resolved these other issues now. Maybe it'll now work for 3D Studio – are you using a similar speed machine? Animator Pro with the Summa still sucks, though (sorry, Gary). Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
#32950From: Paul LindJan 21, 1993 1:53 PM
Kevin, I'm running a series of 50 & 66 MHZ EISA systems AMI/MICRONICS/MYLEX/ EVEREX/ & HAUPAUGE. The machines are networked via Netware 3.11 250 node. The DGPSUMI.EXP can use polling or interrupts. I tend to use the polling option. The fact that the serial ports are built into the motherboard should not have any effect on the Summa. I have several boards that do have the ports made into the boards and although it can help on high speed serial communications, it shouldn't play a role with a standard digitizer. I also have a Kurta 18×12 and a GTCO 36×48 running through the ADI interface without any problems. The AniPro problem should be able to be solved the same way. It requires a slightly different compilation, but should get a similar result. Always keep in mind that Micronics motherboards are infamous for having problems. I have at least 5 in a box that all have problems. As for Studio, the ADI driver from ACAD 12 is the same driver that I compiled from scratch. I have since brought in the driver from ACAD 12 and it seems to work well too. Paul