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#3DS4 Workstation

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#174141From: Bob KohlJun 7, 1995 9:45 AM
Hi everyone, I'm looking into purchasing some hardware in order to setup a company that would create Videos for presentation purposes. Our input are paper plans and ACAD plans, outputs would be 5 minute animated Video rendered with 3DStudio4. So far there are two of us and we both have similar setups ( 486DX33,16Mb ram,850Mg HD, and 486DX2-80,8Mb ram,500Mb HD). While we feel this is sufficient to draw in ACAD12 and 3DS4, it of course is unable to render without putting our machines out of order for weeks. I would like to know what users have tried and for hardware. 1) What are the best suited video cards? 2) Can we just get a (or a few) machines to do rendering full time? 3) If i get a few is pentium faster then 486DX100? 4) What about dual pentium machines, or a network of 486s? 5) I heard there is a network motherboard that you plug 486 or P. motherboards in just like you plug a controller or video board in a normal machine. Would that be better? 6) What kind of video output card do you need to send to VHS? 7) Does it take a special VHS machine? We are looking at cutting turn around time on delivery and so far rendering seems to be the slowest step. Any good or bad experiences would be extremely helpfull in choosing my hardware. Thanks in advance.
#174256From: Robert C. RitgerJun 7, 1995 10:22 PM
Bob: If you are going to add a few machines I would buy the fastest pentium machine available 120mhz or 133mhz, whatever. Actually, I would buy a DEC box as you can get them with dual processor motherboards which will accept another pentium chip at a later date or can accept one DEC Alpha chip. I mention this because 3DS r5 will be an NT release and could take advantage of the additional cpu and hopefully the Alpha chip. Also, you may not need to buy additional monitors, keyboards or mice for your new workstations if all they are going to do is render away. You could just use a switch box to control them (a few folks do that here). To send animations to VHS I would suggest the DPS PAR or its soon to be released successor the PVR. With these boards you would need nothing better than a home VCR to record great video. I record to SVHS often but to VHS all the time as well. The best part of the PAR/PVR board is the ability to make an unlimited number of 1st generation top quality tapes as you can record your animations in real time. For more info on the new PVR check the library for the PERFAQ file (Perception Video Recorder). Bob
#175317From: Bob KohlJun 14, 1995 8:56 AM
Robert, Thank you for your insight, I will definetly be looking into it, I guess a UPS is also manditory. I just happend to find a thread in this forum confirming what you said in the 3D Studio section called "Dream Systems or dreaming". Do you have an idea when the release of the DSP PVR card might happen? Bob.
#175443From: Robert C. RitgerJun 14, 1995 10:52 PM
Bob: /_______________________From your message________________________\\ I guess a UPS is also manditory. __________________________________________________________________ For a PC I would have to say a definitive maybe. <G> You would only lose back to your last save so its a judgement call on whether its worth it. Peace of mind may tip the scales. /_______________________From your message________________________\\ Do you have an idea when the release of the DSP PVR card might happen? __________________________________________________________________ Actually, I thought the date that DPS was shooting for was today or thereabouts. Keep your eyes open as it should be announced any time now. Bob
#174371From: Dennis GoodJun 8, 1995 12:05 PM
Bob – You have a fair hardware setup for 2d CAD work, but if you are going deeply into 3d, you're going to need more beef. Given your reference to paper plans and ACAD plans, I am assuming that you will be preparing architectural simulations. The solution we like – Massive rendering systems: Modeling/rendering stations – Pentium 100, min. 32 Mb RAM, minimum 1+ Gb HD, Matrox Impressions card w/4Mb RAM, minimum 17" monitor, DPS PAR + TBC IV + RAZOR PRO (on one station only). This station is networked to a series of rendering stations, which are fast pentiums (min. 100 Mhz), with lots of RAM (64-128Mb), a minimum 500 Mb HD, and a low-end VGA video card. To conserve space, these stations are rack mounted, and share a single keyboard and monitor. Since they stations render to a file, no advanced graphics cards are needed. This type of configuration gets a lot of bang for your buck, you don't have to buy all of it at one time (you can add to it station-by-station), and if any one component goes down, you aren't SOL. Dual pentiums are not yet a consideration, as 3dS and ACAD will not take full advantage of their capabilities. The DPS PAR card will compress your animations and play them back in real-time, eliminating your need for a frame-accurate video tape deck (at least for recording purposes). The TBC IV allows you to capture video from live sources or a tape input through the PAR.When you need to do video editing, the Razor Pro software will enable you to do effects and transitions between video clips that have been captured to the hard drive using the PAR, and also synchronise sound to your video. The price differential between Pentiums and 486-100s has shrunken significantly from where it once was, to the point where we really recommend Pentiums to our clients that require processing power. Consider this – the street price of a 100 Mhz Pentium mthrbd+CPU is only about $500 more than a 486-100, and you get approximately twice the number-crunching throughput. We like the Matrox Impressions board for your type of application because of the on-board rendering capability wih the 3d Dynaview software. Amoung other things, this software does near-realtime rendering of your models within AutoCAD. This gives you the ability to error-check your modeling quickly. Add an inexpensive scan converter to your setup, and you could record walk-throughs directly out to videotape for client approvals. You're launching into a brave new world, and getting there is half the fun!
#175318From: Bob KohlJun 14, 1995 8:56 AM
Dennis, Thanks for answering, I hope you understand your reply has give us a lot of food for thought!!! << This station is networked to a series of rendering stations,>>, what type network, (Novel Net, Ethernet, Lan???) << these stations are rack mounted, and share a single keyboard and monitor.>> Who puts this together? << The DPS PAR card will compress …>> Someone suggested to wait for the new PVR card, any news when it's out? << We like the Matrox Impressions board >> Diamond Stealth seems popular and acclaimed !!( unlike the ATI ) << we really recommend Pentiums to our clients that require processing power>>, Clients??? I agree with what you are suggesting and while talking it over with friend they said, for the price get a Sun SparcStation. Since I don't know much more about them I coudn't continue the conversation. I lost!<g>. Thanks for the time. Bob
#175539From: Dennis GoodJun 15, 1995 12:28 PM
>> what type network, (Novel Net, Ethernet, Lan???<< Lantastic, Novell, any networking protocol that gives you file-sharing capability. << these stations are rack mounted, and share a single keyboard and monitor.>> Who puts this together? We do! << The DPS PAR card will compress …>> Someone suggested to wait for the new PVR card, any news when it's out? The PVR is supposed to start shipping – TOMORROW? My, how time flies. When we placed our initial order for stock back in early May, the estimate for our delivery at that time was mid-July. DPS says that they have really ramped up production due to the volume pre-release orders. We'll see. << We like the Matrox Impressions board >> Diamond Stealth seems popular and acclaimed !!( unlike the ATI ) Look at the threads on this and on the ACAD forum, and you will find users at both ends of the satisfaction spectrum, no matter which card you choose. I look at the Impressions board from the modeling standpoint, and it fits a need – error-checking my models without having to wait for my computer to render even a simple scene. Add in an inexpensive scan converter like the AverKey, and I can do d&d walkthroughs to videotape without foring up a renderer! << we really recommend Pentiums to our clients that require processing power>> And, depending on whether 3dSr5 support SNMP, we may start switching to dual Pentiums. >>Clients???<< Yes . . . we are resellers as well as service providers. >>while talking it over with friend they said, for the price get a Sun SparcStation.<< From my perspective, the SparcStation is an all-or-nothing solution that entails much more expensive hardware and software than a PC-based solution. There is no question that a RISC workstation will render much faster than a Pentium PC, but the cost of growth in that world is measured in increments of $3-4k, vs. $100s – $small 1Ks for PC solutions. And (heaven forbid), if your workstation goes on the fritz, you are SOL. With a "rendering farm", you are minorly impacted if one of your machines goes down, plus parts and repair services are readily available and affordable. It's a matter of perspective, resources, and production methodology.
#175328From: MatthewJun 14, 1995 9:30 AM
I'd be interested in how you have connected all your rendering slaves up to a single keyboard and monitor. We've been trying to do something like that and all the switches we've seen so far seem pretty expensive.
#175540From: Dennis GoodJun 15, 1995 12:28 PM
We have a local source here in San Diego that manufactures these switches for us at a reasonable price. One box will connect 4 computers to a single monitor and keyboard.