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Craps Academy

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#69From: Thomas HoladayJul 12, 1988 8:26 PM
Is Craps academy shipping? I haven't been able to find it at any dealers in NYC yet. I'm looking forward to finding out what happens when one lays double odds. The mathematics suggest it's the best bet in any of the brain-free casino games, but it's terribly expensive.
#121From: Mike BerroJul 15, 1988 5:47 PM
Craps Academy is shipping; I saw it at a local dealer's today. I read once of a system that actually gives you a 100% payback, but it was very complicated. —Mike
#122From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPJul 15, 1988 5:49 PM
So where did you read about it – and do you still have a copy? I'm very skeptical about anything that claims 100% payback – but would be interested in reading it anyway. Marlene
#128From: Mike BerroJul 15, 1988 5:59 PM
Marlene, I don't remember where I read it, but it involved changing the betting depending on the result of each roll. I didn't pay much attention: I'm a poker person myself. The real question is if a person comes up with a great betting strategy, why publish it? 8) —Mike
#140From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPJul 16, 1988 10:13 AM
Mike, the reason they publish it is cause the make more money on the book than they do on their betting and/or playing strategy. There is no fool proof way to bet or play – just ways of upping your odds of winning more times then not. For eg. in Blackjack – even if you're using the most sophisticated counting and betting system(s) there is, the house always has at least one advantage over you and that is that you have to play your cards before they do – which leaves the possibility of you going over 21 before they bust. Overall you can play well enough to at least play them even (and better depending on that particular casinos BJ rules) – but there is no way to guarantee winning everytime. Marlene
#151From: Mike BerroJul 16, 1988 9:00 PM
Marlene, That's why they call it "gambling". 8) —Mike
#144From: Thomas HoladayJul 16, 1988 11:38 AM
Another reason to publish a successful betting or trading strategy is that there's more certainty in book royalties than in gambling or short-term trading. The casino's pockets are much, much deeper than the gambler's, so gambler's ruin theory suggests that the gambler will go broke before the casino does most of the time, even if the gambler has an advantage, which he doesn't. Casinos don't make the bulk of their profit on their 'edge.' They make it on human nature, which is to quit when ahead, and play to the last drop when behind. Most folks take a bankroll to the Casino and play until it's gone or until they're up 50% or 100%. This means they're willing to lose everything in their pockets but unwilling to win everything in the casino's pockets. Most of the stories about people who 'break the bank' involve some sort of negligence on the part of the bettor: the bettor forgets she has chips stacking up on red, or passes out after the sixth consecutive win and is non compos mentis for the next seven, etc. Most "commercial" casinos impose betting limits, so one cannot do the sort of compound betting one must to win the theoretical maxima. After all, the craps Don't Pass bet is practically an even money bet. A ten dollar bettor would need only twenty consecutive wins in order to be up to twenty million dollars (roughly). A rare event? Not when you consider the number of craps tables in the Unite States, the number of players, the number of bets in an evening … over the course of a year, one would expect quite a few, and the newspapers would make sure you hear about all of them. But the casinos won't let you hazard your ten million dollar winnings against twenty, or even your five thousand dollar winnings against ten.
#146From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPJul 16, 1988 2:25 PM
I agree with most everything you've said. Re: betting limits – they will either up the limit or even in rare cases remove it for certain 'insane' or 'not so insane' people (depending on if they win). Breaking the bank? Nah, not these days – breaking a table – a not totally uncommon posibility. Marlene
#152From: Mike BerroJul 16, 1988 9:02 PM
Thomas, I thought that the betting limits were imposed by the State of Nevada, i.e. RCe $50K limit on Keno. —Mike
#142From: Thomas HoladayJul 16, 1988 11:10 AM
I like craps for the brainlessness of it. Shouting "Come, nine!" at a pair of dice is much more satisfying than shouting "Get off the table!" at a pair of cats. And the dice pay more attention.
#156From: Richard Rae/SYSOPJul 17, 1988 11:16 AM
But unless they happen to be hanging from your rear-view mirror, the dice are nowhere near as warm and fuzzy as the cats. 8) Rick