CompuServe Thread

PC video vs. Amiga video

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#109706From: Richard EricksonJun 22, 1990 10:19 AM
If anyone wants a good laugh, pick up the June issue of Camcorder magazine. They have a article in it about the low cost of video with PC's as compared with the Amiga.
#109793From: SyndesisJun 23, 1990 5:16 PM
What does it say? That PCs are cheap or cheaper than the Amiga?
#109948From: Richard EricksonJun 25, 1990 9:56 AM
It says the PC-AT are cheaper for video than the Amiga. Yet the video card they used doesn't come anywhere close to the Amiga's 4096 colors. If you used a Targa type card, that raises the cost well above a Amiga. The article also claims the A500 & A1000 have no way to upgrade "video adapters" like the A2000. The article was clearly written by sombody who is uninformed on the Amiga.
#110027From: SyndesisJun 25, 1990 9:22 PM
I'd rather have more colors on-screen at once, without any trade-offs like Amiga HAM; I'm sure that's why they thought 256 at once with VGa was comparable to the Amiga's display. Of course, the PC marketplace hasn't yet learned that 320 x 200 chunky graphics, regardless of the number of colors, doesn't cut it. Text is really, really gross, on par with the Commodore 64 or worse. So write a letter, and get your friends to write, too. Sounds like some PC people / advertisers were tired of the Amiga coverage, and wanted to print some propaganda. At least they could get the facts straight, aside from subjective interpretation.
#110101From: Richard EricksonJun 26, 1990 10:53 AM
I would like more than the Amiga's 4096 colors, HAM is okay but I think things can and will get better. If I could get a good picture out of my PC without spending a arm and a leg I would go that route. But I can't so right now I think the Amiga is the better bargin. I am mailing a letter out to Miller magazines today.
#110102From: Ben A LottJun 26, 1990 11:36 AM
Black Belt systems is relasing fthe HAM-E Board at this weekends AMI-EXPO it will let you use 262,000+ colors, for about $300 and include 2 paint programs, and a digiview driver. There should be a file about it around here{. Ben
#110135From: Richard EricksonJun 26, 1990 9:54 PM
Will it work on an A1000? If so I might stop by their booth. My A1000 already has a Supra drive, a Spirit In1000, and shortly a Rejuvenator.
#110166From: Black Belt SystemsJun 27, 1990 12:53 AM
It will work fine on an a1000, in fact we'll have it running on one (assuming United Expositions gets the stuff to us… my nerves are pretty frazzled over letting ANYONE handle our gear, but…) We'll be in booth 603 Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#110577From: John MillingtonJul 1, 1990 1:10 AM
I've been wondering about this for some time, and it sounds like you may be the one to ask… How do "new & advanced" displays fit into the picture? Obviously (?) you aren't using Denise to generate the display…what about Agnus: will Blitter work on these screens? Are the pixels mapped together in memory, or do you have 18 separate bitplanes? — John
#110841From: Kelly JordanJul 3, 1990 5:47 AM
John, I suggest you go to AmigaVend, look in DL6 (Black Belt) for a file about developing for HAM-E. That should answer your questions. 73, Kelly
#110648From: Ron LegroJul 1, 1990 5:43 PM
Richard: I saw the HAM-E running on an A1000 at AmiExpo Chicago, as Black Belt promised would happen. It looks good! They were showing conventional images (digitized photos, mostly), then switching to HAM-E mode and goosing up those images to the extended color modes. Nice. Most everything looked better, unless you're intentionally interested in a grainy effect.
#110286From: steven a. wartofskyJun 28, 1990 9:48 AM
I'd like a little info in this area, myself — at the most recent CES, most of the IBM game designs were using scrolling 256-color VGA, and people were looking down their noses at the Amiga because it can only do 32 colors at a time on an animated screen (well, 64 with Extra Half-Brite, but neither number *sounds* as impressive as 256). Is it true that with the newer IBM graphics standards the Amiga's limitations (like 6 bitplanes instead of 8 for VGA) are starting to show, or is this just a new layer of IBM-style hype that finds a new "standard" which is still way behind what the Amiga's been doing for the last five years? If the former is true, is anything being done (quickly) at CBM or by outside developers about it, in a way that's standardized and not particularly costly? "256-color VGA" seems to be a new reason some US game designers (read Sierra On-Line, for instance) are offering for not wanting to provide Amiga games support that's as solid as IBM games support, in terms of new design. — steve
#110320From: Kevin DarlingJun 28, 1990 3:31 PM
As far as Sierra OnLine goes, I personally think they make up excuses to cover having mostly take-over-the-PC programmers. For example, after doing several ports to multitasking OS9, they griped then, too. It seems to be an ongoing theme; I suspect they simply wish to only concentrate on the PCs.
#110324From: steven a. wartofskyJun 28, 1990 5:17 PM
Kevin, Maybe true, but it didn't answer my main question. 🙂 –steve
#110351From: Kevin DarlingJun 28, 1990 9:04 PM
Steve – <grin> Okay, but you gotta give a hint as to what kind of answer you want to hear ;-). Want someone to say: "Yep, Amiga gfx needs to be updated" ? I can give that answer without feeling too bad, sure. <smile> I'll leave the PC vs Amiga comparison to others, tho. best -kev
#110593From: Matthew RecchiaJul 1, 1990 7:08 AM
At least with the IBM machines, one can choose to have higher resolution with more than monochrome. You pay for it, but $199 for a graphics card (Genoa for example) with 1024×768 is not much, considering.
#110626From: Kevin DarlingJul 1, 1990 2:13 PM
Oh, you bet, it'd be nice to tap into the PClone gfx card bargains!
#109796From: Lloyd W. Dull IIIJun 23, 1990 6:04 PM
Richard, Yeah – I didn't know how FOOLISH we all have been for so many years, trying to do VIDEO with Amiga's instead of PC's, until I read that guy's article. Oh well, the THREE other articles in the magazine dealing with using Amiga's for video work make a good contrast to his "opinion". Lloyd
#109951From: Richard EricksonJun 25, 1990 10:09 AM
Lloyd(spreadsheets, accounting etc.). The Amiga's do their things well like video, and they do video for less than what you would have to spend on upgrading the PC to do the same thing. Did you notice one of those other articles said the Amiga was 68020 based?
#109956From: Ron LegroJun 25, 1990 10:20 AM
Don't just laugh; write 'em and tell 'em how wrong they are! Videomaker magazine has been pushing Amigas, in a de facto way (e.g., they run generic columns about Amiga-type features, but don't mention the machine by name; but lots of Amiga retailers are advertising right alongside the column).
#109990From: Richard EricksonJun 25, 1990 2:41 PM
I have got my letter ready to go to Miller Magazines. There is just too much wrong about the article not to write them.