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#Amiga's on a LAN?

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#61465From: Tom BellJul 2, 1992 10:16 AM
Don I read some of the messages in the Communication section and I think you might be able to help me. I am building a new home and want to design it up front to allow me to connect 4 workstations together for file sharing, printer sharing, CD-ROM sharing (if possible). My associate has an Amiga 2000 and an Amiga 500, and I would like to purchase one of these for each of my 2 children…I currently have a Leading Edge Model D (IBM clone) and a MacPlus (with a Gemini upgrade)…also, I have an HP Deskwriter (300dpi inkjet) connected to the MAC. I am considering purchasing Novell Lite or Lantastic to accomplish the LAN connectivity, but have no idea what type of cables are required (Coax, twisted pair, etc.). In the Novell forums, they say that Amiga is not a good choice for LANs, same with Lantastic… Can you give me any pointers/contacts/ideas/examples of anyone who has accomplished this on a home budget (maybe $4K) Tom send [76703,4321]
#61482From: Vic WagnerJul 2, 1992 8:06 PM
Tom, We're using Amigas on Novell, and I have NO idea why the jerks over in the Novell fora would say that Amigas are not a good choice. That said, you canNOT run Amgia's on a Novell network unless you have a server and there is NO server software for the Amiga (so Novell light is out of the answer).
#61503From: Mike SchillerJul 3, 1992 1:45 AM
Tom: In recent months there have been lots of advances in networking for the Amiga. Commodore has 2 network cards available for the 2000, one ethernet, the other decnet, and they have TCP/IP client software as well. another Company called Interworks has networking software, but it might be Amiga to Amiga only, I'm not sure, but they're here on CIS (I don't have their PPN thou). PP&S (Progressive Peripheral & Software) makes an appletalk card for the A2000, and possibly also for the 500. The A2000 is a much better choice for networking than a 500 is, so you might want to look into buying a couple of used 2000's rather than new 500's, as they're MUCH more expandable. I can't really tell you much more details about the various Amiga networking options, but I wanted you to know that they're out there, and I'm sure somebody else here will add to this info. -Mike Schiller In sunny Fort Lauderdale
#61541From: Vic WagnerJul 3, 1992 5:23 PM
Mike, Interworks product ENLAN is indeed Amiga only at this time. It is a beautiful product and we'd use it exclusively if we could get our PCs running on it too.
#61554From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJul 4, 1992 12:29 AM
Tom, I see others have replied to you. I've not networked the Amiga, so wouldn't be much help to you. Don
#61698From: Jay TruesdaleJul 5, 1992 9:49 PM
I just happened to snarf this in my capture buffer while on our local WWIV BBS, hope this is useful: _ Oxxi Releases Amiga Client Software for Novell NetWare / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ / – \ / ___ \ (_/ \_)miga Client Software (ACS) adapts any standard Novell NetWare network to allow Amiga computers to act as workstations or clients. ACS can be added to any existing Novell NetWare system running Version 2.15 or higher, takes only minutes to install, and requires no prior preparation. Once the Amiga Client Software is installed, Amiga users on the network enjoy all the network capabilities available to IBM and Macintosh workstations. Amiga workstations retain their multitasking graphic environment in addition to the full range of Novell NetWare functions. Users receive their own personal set of Amiga Preferences — including network printing preferences — automatically when they login from any Amiga on the network. Features ~~~~~~~~ Novell NetWare Functionality for the Amiga Novell-style utilities provide easy selection of standard Novell NetWare functions on the Amiga, including: o File management and security o Printer definition o Print-job control o Full network accounting records o User login management, password security, login scripts o Group account management Individual Preferences o Amiga Preferences supplied automatically at login, including choice of local or network printer o Login scripts customize user's network environment o Login scripts can execute both Novell NetWare scripts and AmigaDOS commands Centralized Resources o Server hard drive can be used as if it were in the workstation o Data can be stored from the Amiga on the server, shared by all computers on the network o Data can be easily transferred from other platforms for use on the [ MORE ]
#61700From: Jay TruesdaleJul 5, 1992 9:49 PM
[ continuation ] Amiga, and vice versa o Amiga software on server hard drives can be run from any Amiga computer on the network o Change or update software once on server, then use or download to local computer o Share printers, other hardware resources Data Integrity o Record-locking protects data in shared files o File access can be controlled through directory access rights o Multiple users can access a file concurrently o Individual files can be flagged to further extend access control o File ownership is assigned automatically, used to control access Security for Information and Applications o Individual user files protected by password and access-rights assignments o Confidential mail areas automatically created for each user o Novell System security controls login and use of applications, data and other resources o Protect data and software from accidental or deliberate alteration, theft, access by unauthorized persons Plus Amiga-Specific Network Utilities o AmigaBack — Server file backup and restoration for server from the Amiga workstation o NetMessage — Includes display of previous messages, user, group and broadcast message sending Requirements ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Software: Novell NetWare (R) Version 2.15 or higher, installed on network file server; Amiga Workbench V1.3 or higher; Kickstart 1.2 or higher. Hardware: Amiga computer with 512K memory, File Server, LAN ARC-Net or Ethernet Communication cards (1 for each workstation, 1 for server), cabling and other connection hardware. Optional: Addition RAM, local hard drive, network peripherals such as printers and plotters, third-party additions to Novell NetWare such as bridges, additional servers. Price and Availability ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Available now, only from Oxxi directly. Oxxi, Inc. [ MORE ]
#61701From: Jay TruesdaleJul 5, 1992 9:49 PM
[ continuation ] P.O. Box 90309 Long Beach, CA 90809-0309 Phone: 310/427-1227 -*- -J
#62170From: Greg MalcangiJul 10, 1992 1:35 PM
Sorry, At this point can I press gang your thread to ask a question? … Thanks! There is a company here in the UK that is offering to set up a LAN for me at a very reasonable price. It is a system aimed at the PC, but the company is adamant that it will work with Amigas working under AmigaDOS. They are claiming 20 megs a minute transfer rates, is this good? They also say they utilize the ROM port …. Didn't know I had a ROM port! Can anyone give me some info. Thanks in advance, Greg. (a LAN novice). – via Whap!
#62252From: BILL LEACHJul 11, 1992 8:56 AM
Greg; Sounds scarey. ROM port? You don't (unless maybe you have an Amiga 600, and thats what they are calling the card slot). 20 Meg/minute is not particularly fast but could be plenty. Depends mostly on what you will be trying to do with the LAN. At 20 Meg/minute I would not suggest trying to run X-Windows. -bill
#62258From: SyndesisJul 11, 1992 10:17 AM
20 meg/minute is 350 K /second – what's wrong with that? There's plenty of people who run X Windows over serial lines at 19K baud, and some masochists who run it at 2400 baud. It all depends on what you're doing under X.
#62369From: BILL LEACHJul 12, 1992 9:47 AM
John; I'll have to take your word for it except that there are people that run OS/2 also (ie: slow). I would hate to run something like PGS from over a network at that speed. However, I definately agree with your last line "… depends on what you're doing." That statement is the vital criteria for all such decisions. -bill
#62446From: SyndesisJul 12, 1992 8:07 PM
In most cases, running a program over a network on the Amiga isn't that bad. Once the program is loaded, it's in memory. Few programs that I know of use overlays. I think the Sculpt 3D programs did. If a user needs absolute speed, they shouldn't be running over a network, should they? Some compromise has to be made.
#62501From: BILL LEACHJul 13, 1992 8:13 AM
John; Using an A3000UX as a server, I sometimes almost can't tell that a program came from the server. So yes, I yes, I'd agree on the Amiga network. -bill
#62633From: Greg MalcangiJul 14, 1992 4:43 PM
Thanks for your reply Bill, and to others. I've spoken to the company again and apparently it's 20 secs a meg. ie. 50K a second. It comes with a card for the AT slot (A2000) or plugs into the trapdoor (A500). It's a peer to peer system and installation is included in the price. A little more speed would be good, but I only need to occasionally load SuperBase 4 or WordWorth from my secretary's Amiga. By the way WordWorth is about 400K so would take about 8 secs. However I've imploded wordWorth so it's now only 221K, so the obvious question is will it load in just over 4= seconds or the original sized 8. If anyone knows of a faster method of networking a peer to peer system without spending more than about #750 total cost, I'd appreciate the info. Thanks again, Greg :") – via Whap!
#62727From: BILL LEACHJul 15, 1992 8:48 AM
Greg; The "unpacking" should take place on your own machine, so the actual transfer time should be around 4 seconds (based upon your numbers). Of course you have to add the unpacking time to that as far as the user (you) is concerned. If you are only linking two machines together and are used to saving/storing things on floppy, I suspect that the performance will be quite acceptable. There are other ways but I doubt that you want to consider them seriously. There is always Matt Dillons DNet (using a serial or parallel port). While these work, they both tend to require pretty knowledgable systems people to insure that they continue to work. Naturally, the speed is none too high either. -bill
#63018From: Greg MalcangiJul 17, 1992 3:58 PM
Bill, Thanks again for the quick response. If you have a few moments I would like to know what the alternatives are. Just so that I'm sure when I make my decision that I've covered all the possibilities. Thanks for the indulgance :") Greg. – via Whap!
#63057From: Christopher LapriseJul 17, 1992 10:49 PM
PARNET runs at a comparable speed (50-70K/sec) and costs next to nothing, relatively speaking (the only real cost is the cable). I am anxious to see good, compact network adaptors for the A500. However, they'll have to do a lot better than 50K/sec if they want it to be a success. I wouldn't buy it.. I'd just keep using PARNET between my A500 and A3000 as I do now.
#63160From: Greg MalcangiJul 18, 1992 8:26 PM
Christopher Thanks for the info regarding the PARNET. Can you tell me a little more about it? Where is it available from? Will it work on my Workbench2.04, PAL A2000 here in the UK? Thanks in advance :") – via Whap!
#63050From: Brian CowanJul 17, 1992 9:50 PM
It's been my experience on the PC's that a good Novell ethernet is actually faster than a local (IDE or ST-506) Hard Disk. No why's or wherefores on it, but it often is more responsive. Brian – via Whap!
#63056From: SyndesisJul 17, 1992 10:44 PM
Sure, it depends on how the network is tuned. Depending on the task, and the server, you can get very very fast times with Novell. They do a lot of caching.
#63595From: Brian CowanJul 24, 1992 3:01 AM
You know, we never bothered to tune the server….. Of course, 16MB of server RAM helps….. Brian – via Whap!
#62512From: Alan RussellJul 13, 1992 12:55 PM
20 Megabytes per Minute?? Most LAN speeds are in Megabits per Second.. 4 megabit, 10, 16, ect.. (MBPS) 20 Megabytes per Minute would be pretty fast.. (2.6 MBPS) For a small LAN..