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#Fast PPI14400FXSA

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#62040From: Joe BuckleyJul 9, 1992 8:32 AM
I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing the problem that I am, and if so, is there a fix for it. I am running an Amiga 2000, 3MB RAM, WB 1.3 with a stock 7.12MHz 68000. I recently acquired a PPI 14440FXSA modem and I seem to be having trouble downloading files at high speed (19200, 14400, 9600). I have tried NComm 2.0 (with the XPR-based transfer protocols) and connected to a local BBS at Carrier 14400 and 9600, with term to modem speed set at 19200. A ZModem download with V42bis, compression on, would go fine for the first 28-32K, then start reporting errors like BAD DATA BLOCK and checksum type errors. I would generally have to abort the download. I also tried the same conditions, but using Baud Bandit (V1.51, I believe), and would generate an unhealthy number of errors during the download. But at least that test file (about 50K) did get through in one try. This is all while the modem is reporting QUALITY HIGH for the V.32bis signal quality indicator. Any ideas? Thanks. Joe Buckley
#62045From: Michael GerardJul 9, 1992 10:06 AM
Are you sure that you are uasing a seven wire serial cable? Do you have CTS/RTS ON? Here are the modem settings I use, that have worked for me: ACTIVE PROFILE: DTE:38400 DCE:9600 PARITY:NONE B16 B1 E1 L2 M0 N1 T Q0 V1 W2 X4 Y0 &A0 &C1 &D2 &G0 &J0 &K3 &L0 &Q5 &R0 &S0 &T4 &U0 &X0 &Y0 S00:000 S01:000 S02:043 S03:013 S04:010 S05:008 S06:002 S07:050 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:095 S12:050 S18:000 S25:005 S26:001 S30:000 S36:007 S37:000 S38:020 S43:009 S46:002 S48:007 S63:000 S82:128 S86:000 S95:000 S97:030 S108:1 S109:062 S110:2 S118:001 S119:1 Michael …..on AutoPilot
#62171From: Joe BuckleyJul 10, 1992 1:44 PM
Michael, Thanks for the dump of your settings. I currently have the software set for xON/xOFF. I'll try it out CTS/RTS and get back here. Thanks.
#62595From: Christopher LapriseJul 14, 1992 2:19 AM
Joe, I also have a PPI 14.4 and I know you must use a modem cable capable of RTS-CTS as well as set your terminal's serial parameters to use RTS-CTS. In the modem's default mode, RTS-RTS is on, not XON-XOFF, and I really doubt that XON-XOFF could prevent flow-control-related errors from occuring – especially at high-speed on a stock machine. As a general rule, use only RTS-CTS. The basic init-string that works best for me is: AT&F1
#62049From: Jim Nangano/SYSOPJul 9, 1992 10:51 AM
Joe, A couple of things come to mind. First of all, make SURE that you have your serial preferences set to use "Hardware Handshaking" (also known as CTS/RTS handshaking). If your term programs have configuration options for this (some do, others default to what Preferences is set to), make sure that CTS/RTS is enabled there too. You will also need to be using a 7-wire (or more) serial cable from your amiga to your modem. A second thing to watch out for is interference from _some_ hard disk controller boards. You can try to download files to RAM: instead. Also, downloading direct to floppy disk can cause real problems for high-speed transfers, as it takes a long time to write the buffer to disk. Remember that the stock 68000 is (in relative terms) fairly slow, and that you really are pushing things to try to keep up with high-speed transfers. There's little margin of error, so "little" things can cause glitches. I would try to keep "background" programs to a minimum when attempting to do a high-speed download. Of course, an accellerator will also help, but I suspect that you don't particularly want to hear that one. <grin> Hope this helps… – BobR
#62173From: Joe BuckleyJul 10, 1992 1:47 PM
Bob, Thanks. I am currently running without an HD and I always download to RAM anyway. The CPU side of things is set at 19200, since I have heard (and exper experienced) the 19200 limit. To make life MORE interesting, I just got my 2.04 ROM installed yesterday! Joe
#62069From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJul 9, 1992 2:05 PM
Joe, I don't know what is causing your problem. I received my new PPI 14400FSXA modem last week. I unhooked my old modem, plugged the new one in without making any changes at all in its defaults, and it is working fine with CompuServe and with all three of the local boards I call. One of these boards uses an old HST Dual Standard, and it gave me lots of trouble when I first got my PPI 9600SA, but not a whimper with the new FXSA. If you are having problems with the modem, however, I suggest that you GO PPIFORUM and ask for help there. PPI supports their products right here on CIS, and they are VERY knowledgeable and helpful.
#62174From: Joe BuckleyJul 10, 1992 1:48 PM
Betty, Thanks. I know about the PPIFORUM already. As for the trouble, I am having it on my local BBSes. One uses USR Dual Standards, the other I don't know about. Joe
#62223From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 11, 1992 2:44 AM
Betty, I just ordered my PPI 144000FXSA modem and should be receiving it shortly. I couldn' use WHAP with my current AE internal modem, but will use it as soon as the PPI modem arrives. I'm also long overdue in upgrading my term program. I want to upgrade from Access. I've basically heard about all the current PD/Shareware and commercial term programs. To give me a headstart before I make my decision are there any term programs that you could recommend to me, and any that I should stay away from? I'm looking for a top-of-the-line program with auto-log-on options, without having to use Arexx. I know a few PD programs that don't allow auto-log-on, or only allow it through Arexx. Any suggestions? Thanks. Dom Fontana P.S. I'd be interested in any one else's suggestions, too.
#62242From: Michael GerardJul 11, 1992 3:52 AM
Wayne: I use PicSaver… it will capture a screen, a window, or a user defined area via a hot key… saves files out as .IFF's. I downloaded it from AmigaUser, I think. Also, check out Khalid's SWITCHER (SWITCH.LZH) in lib 15 of AmigaUser. Michael …..on AutoPilot
#62249From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJul 11, 1992 8:15 AM
DOM, I use Whap! with Backtalk. Whap! can sign you on in interactive mode and turn things over to BackTalk as soon as the signon is complete. BackTalk also can make use of all the XPR protocols, so it can serve as a general terminal for anywhere you might want to call. I also use ATALKIII, which has a learn mode for learning logon scripts as you call manually, but I've not used it that way.
#62335From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 12, 1992 1:42 AM
Betty, Thanks. I forgot, is Backtalk a commercial product? If so, who's the manufacturer? Also, who makes ATALKIII? Thanks. Dom Fontana
#62366From: Michael GerardJul 12, 1992 7:11 AM
Dom: BackTalk was written by Don Curtis and Steve Ahlstrom. You'll find it in Lib: 5… it is freely redistributable…. and a _great_, trouble free program. Perfect for the interactve mode of Whap! (surprise <g>) Michael …..on AutoPilot
#62485From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 13, 1992 4:20 AM
Thanks for the BackTalk info, Michael. Dom Fontana
#62637From: Jim SakladJul 14, 1992 5:08 PM
Dom – > I'd be interested in any one else's suggestions, too. One vote for JR-Comm 1.02a (Next version already in beta testing….) . . . . . JimDoc
#62699From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 15, 1992 2:21 AM
Jim, Thanks for the suggestion. I had an earlier version of JR-Comm, but didn't like it. They must have improved it. Dom Fontana
#62916From: Brian CowanJul 16, 1992 8:37 PM
Well, VLT, in it's latest revision will do that…. v5.517 is the latest — I think… Brian – via Whap!
#62961From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 17, 1992 2:19 AM
Brian, I think your VLT message was meant for someone else, but I got it instead. Dom Fontana
#63061From: Brian CowanJul 17, 1992 11:08 PM
Oops…. I hope the guy looking for a comm program that does scripting w/o ARexx saw it…. Brian – via Whap!
#63104From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 18, 1992 4:55 AM
Brian, I'm the guy looking for a comm program that does scripting w/o ARexx. What is it that you hope I saw? Dom Fontana
#63147From: John PendergrassJul 18, 1992 6:44 PM
Dominick, don't know if this was the question or not, but Online! has a script language that is not ARexx dependent. The version I have was practically written before ARexx was around, but still does the job for me. Let me know if you have any q's about it. –jp–seattle–
#63267From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 20, 1992 1:53 AM
John, Don't they have an Online! Platinum edition now? Dom Fontana
#63599From: Brian CowanJul 24, 1992 3:02 AM
That the latest version of VLT (5.517) does some scripting without ARexx. Maybe enough for you to use. And what the heck, you already paid for it -with your taxes! Brian – via Whap!
#62070From: Steve AhlstromJul 9, 1992 2:13 PM
Joe, Try the other suggestions mentioned in this thread (RTS/CTS set from perferences, at least 19.k baud set from preferences, do no multitasking while downloading, etc.). The problem is that the 68000 just doesn't have the horsepower to keep up at 9600 much less 14.4k baud. The problem isn't with your modem but with your computer's ability to take the data from your serial buffer before it overflows (and you lose characters). If you have a non-error correcting protocol you can use (ie, ymodem-g) try that if the other modem is also a v.42 modem. You'll eliminate a layer of (software) error checking with the protocol and let the modems handle the error checking and retries as they were designed to. This just may give you the extra "oomph" you need. As, with whatever term program you're using, if they have an option of running in multiple colors, chose the least amount (1 bitplane would be the best) — keep the system overhead down as much as possible. -sja
#62175From: Joe BuckleyJul 10, 1992 1:51 PM
Steve, Thanks for the reply. I have been having this trouble when attempting ZModem xfers with V32bis/V.42bis active. Disabling all error correction and going only 9600 seems to work fine, but at the reduced throughput. Joe
#62253From: BILL LEACHJul 11, 1992 8:56 AM
Joe; Your handshaking between the modem and the computer is probably not working. Another thing can affect the performance and that is buffer size. ZModem has "preferences" settings (different programs implement this differently so you'll have to check the telcom program itself but you can also create a set up file for ZModem "XPRZModem" in envarc: with a line something like this: TC,ON,B10,F0,E10,AY,DN,KY,SN,RN,PCDC:DOWN Besure to change the default download path to the correct place (RAM rather than DOWN?). The important term is the third one (B10). This sets the buffer size. If you set this too big then AmigaDOS will ignore the modem for too long a period of time when it tries to write out the buffer and this can cause data loss (if handshaking is not working). I am not convinced that C= has the serial.device working correctly yet. -bill
#62384From: Steve AhlstromJul 12, 1992 12:39 PM
Bill, I've not had any problems with CBM's serial.device, but I'm not too sure they've gotten the A2232 serial.device working correctly yet. On a related subject, Supra still hasn't gotten their modem0.device cleaned up yet either. For instance, with BackTalk's XPR implemenatation, QB protocol works fine with the 1.6 version, does not work at all with their 2.2 version. -sja
#62499From: BILL LEACHJul 13, 1992 8:13 AM
Steve; I have never owned anything by Supra and from the horror stories that my dealer relays to me, I won't likely either. -bill
#62522From: Steve AhlstromJul 13, 1992 4:10 PM
Bill, I have 2 (non-error correcting) Supra 2400s and 1 Supra ZI. The externals work great. The internal works well also except for the not fully functional modem0.device. -sja
#62704From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 15, 1992 2:48 AM
Steve, It hasn't arrived yet, but is there a special cable I need for the PPI 14400FXSA modem? I'd like to buy the cable before the modem arrives. Thanks. Dom Fontana
#62708From: Steve AhlstromJul 15, 1992 3:06 AM
Get a straight 25 pin cable.
#62709From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 15, 1992 3:08 AM
Steve, Wow, that was a fast response! Thanks. Dom Fontana
#62725From: Michael GerardJul 15, 1992 7:40 AM
Dom: CTS/RTS handshaking requires a full serial connection… when you get your cable, be sure that it's not a cheap 3 wire serial cable. It must be a 7 wire cable (I believe that the other pins are just grounds). Michael …..on AutoPilot
#62444From: Joe BuckleyJul 12, 1992 8:02 PM
Bill, Thanks for the info. I have tried both software (xON/xOFF) and hardware (CTS/RTS) handshaking with no noticable difference. I am using NComm 2.00 and it allows resizing the ZModem receive buffer and I have it currently set to about 64K. The default system serial buffer is temporarily set to 64K (via the Serial preference program). I might try playing with the ENVARC: XPR ZModem preference, but since I just got the 2.0 ROM installed this week, I am only beginning to get used to the differences with it. I assume the BXX term means buffer size in K? And that the last entry is for the default transfer path? Thanks. Joe Buckley
#62500From: BILL LEACHJul 13, 1992 8:13 AM
Joe; Your assumptions are correct. I would suggest that 64 k is too large. I did not explicitly try 64 k but 100 k was too large for me, ie: I received occassional errors. -bill
#62567From: Joe BuckleyJul 13, 1992 9:10 PM
Bill (an everyone else who helped), I have now arrived at a software set up that seems to work fine. I have been able to download 300K files at 14.4Kbps carrier modulation with a CPU-modem connection of 38.4Kbps (obviously with V.42bis compression active) without problems. I am using NComm and I have ZModem ACK active and a ZModem I/O buffer of 4KB. The default system serial buffer size has been changed to 4Kb as well. My guess is that the data isn't being flushed from the recieve buffer until it is fairly full, and at only 7.12MHz, the 68000 can't move it all before it drops things. A guess only! Still, it now works, so I can't complain. Thank you all for you suggestions. Joe Buckley
#62113From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJul 9, 1992 11:41 PM
Joe, Your problem is either not setting your serial port for hardware handshake (CTS/RTS) or having it set…and not having the proper serial cable…one that carries the CTS/RTS lines thru. I'm using a PM14400FXSA on my 2500 with NO problems whatsoever. Don
#62183From: Joe BuckleyJul 10, 1992 4:50 PM
Don (and the others!), I have tried the software (NComm 2.00) with the handshaking set to CTS/RTS to no changes. I checked my cables and switch box. The cables carry pins 1-8, 11, and 20. The switchbox carries all 25 lines through. If I disable error correction and log in at only 9600, there is no trouble. I have set the buffers to maximum, so it doesn't appear to be an overflow problem. For what appears to be a relatively common occurance, I'm surprised that there is so little concurrence on the solution. Joe Buckley
#62211From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJul 10, 1992 11:41 PM
Joe, Then I'd suggest the problem is with NComm. And since I don't use it, I can't verify that. I do have a PM14400FXSA and I use it with BackTalk (naturally) and it works just fine here on CIS. Don
#62250From: Joe BuckleyJul 11, 1992 8:24 AM
Don, How amny CIS nodes run at a carrier of 14.4Kbps with V.42bis active? I have no trouble on CIS, it is the high-speed connections I have trouble with. Joe Buckley
#62324From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJul 12, 1992 12:10 AM
Joe, None of the CIS nodes run at 14,400. They're "locked" at 9600bps. Call PPI's BBS…that's what I did to test the 14,400 connection. They're at 805.496.4445 (that's different than what's in the 14.4 manual since they moved after the manual was printed). Don
#62445From: Joe BuckleyJul 12, 1992 8:02 PM
Don, I was originally worried that my problem was the modem, but I am now leaning toward its being the software. Seems like buffers being overflowed, but no one seems to know. Joe Buckley
#62479From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJul 13, 1992 2:19 AM
Joe, Yes…I'd lean that way too. I notice that others are also complaining of NComm's problems. Don
#62636From: Jim SakladJul 14, 1992 5:08 PM
Joe – Under 1.3, 19200 may be too fast; the incoming data from the modem-to-modem link may be over-running the Amiga's buffers. Try 9600. Under 2.04, 19200 works. Like me, you need an accelerator to do everything you want to…. . . . . . JimDoc
#62748From: Joe BuckleyJul 15, 1992 1:20 PM
Jim, I've heard that under 1.3, 19200 works fine, with minimum overhead in the system. I now have 2.0 ROMs installed and 38400 now works fine. The caveat being that I haven't tried too much actual 38400 data transfer. File transfers have generally been at carrier 14.4K and of compressed files, so V.42bis has minimal, if any, effect. I should try getting a friend with a similar modem to dump a huge text file directly to me. Without the types of minor waits a BBS has between messages in a continuous message dump. Joe Buckley