CompuServe Thread

CBM/ATARI Stocks

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#105419From: Todd EvansJun 29, 1993 11:06 AM
I never thought I would see this: Atari stock price is over Commodore's… Just checked and CBU is at 2.750 and ATC is at 2.875. Just 2 months ago Atari was worth less than 1.00 but since the announcement of the vapor Jaguar (RISC, 32-bit, 16.8 mil colors, DSP, for less than $200)…yeah right….their stock has gone up. I just don't feel good about the future of Commodore. I see chapter 11 coming. That could be good or bad….but probably bad. Oh well….
#105670From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 1, 1993 1:42 AM
Todd, Hi. Why does it surprise you that Atari's stock has risen over Commodore's? They're both similarly mismanaged companies. In a thread here a few weeks ago, some people were talking about CBM competing with Apple and IBM. When I suggested that CBM is not in the same league as those companies and that they should worry more about Atari than about Apple and IBM, some people laughed at me and said Atari was dead. Well if Atari is dead, then I guess the latest stock prices mean that Commodore is deader. Who's laughing now? 😎 Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#105687From: Paul ToalJul 1, 1993 4:28 AM
Hehehehehe –Paul < Motorola Inside >
#105784From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 2, 1993 12:16 AM
Gotcha! 😎 Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#105690From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLIJul 1, 1993 4:47 AM
Dom: Actually, the prices of Atari and Amiga stock are a meaningless comparison of the two companies. There could be 1 million shares of Atari and 10 million shares of Commodore (just for example) and the equal prices would mean that Commodore was worth 10 times Atari. Last figures I saw on Atari indicated a sales rate that is about 10% of Commodore's current rate of sales. This could change radically however, with the new Atari/IBM "partnership". Clint <Chaocity>
#105785From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 2, 1993 12:16 AM
Clint, I'm not really comparing the companies, but just reflecting that Atari's stock is now worth more per share than CBM's. And that Atari's stock has been rising and CBM's falling. It indicates a trend. Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#105790From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLIJul 2, 1993 12:40 AM
Dom: With the Atari/IBM alliance, I would expect their stock to rise. Probably a pretty good bargain right now, actually. I suspect that it will take something of that nature to get Commodore back on its feet again quickly. <sigh> Actually, I don't have any "favorites" between the companies, I just want the Amiga to survive and prosper. <grin> Clint <Chaocity>
#106030From: Mike SchillerJul 4, 1993 4:23 AM
Clint: What sort of alliance is there between Atari & IBM? (I must have missed something!) // -Mike Schiller \X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
#106035From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLIJul 4, 1993 6:05 AM
Mike: It was in the paper (business section) early last week, something about IBM building the Jaguar for Atari and providing something like $200 million in funding. It's somewhere in a stack of papers about 2 feet thick. <grin> I'll try to search it out tomorrow and find the real details. I saw the article in both the San Francisco Chronicle and our local Santa Maria paper, so I figured that everyone had heard about it. Clint <Chaocity>
#106080From: Leslie T. BartiromoJul 4, 1993 4:38 PM
The "alliance" Atari has with IBM consists of IBM's No. Carolina plant to manufacture and distribute the Jaguar. They are also responsible for quality control. This seems like a fantastic move on the part of Atari! I'm sure you've read the specs on the system. It is supposed to be released before Christmas in the New York area and then (after they've made a few bucks) widely throughout the country. It sounds pretty good although I haven't heard anything about software yet.
#106090From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLIJul 4, 1993 6:20 PM
Mike: I found one of the articles, Associated Press in Wednesday's paper. States that Atari Corp is contracting with IBM to produce 64 bit Jaguar system. It's a 30 month agreement under which the machines will be built at an IBM facility in Charlotte, North Carolina. The Jaguar will retail for around $200 and an optional CD-ROM drive will be another $200. Details of the partnership were not disclosed. Apparently the actual announcement was made jointly on last Monday. Clint <Chaocity>
#106126From: Mike SchillerJul 5, 1993 1:35 AM
Clint: If it's specs are true, it sounds like a system I'm gonna have to get! // -Mike Schiller \X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
#106128From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLIJul 5, 1993 1:48 AM
Mike: If enough programmers get behind it any write/port games, then it will succeed, but if they hang back waiting to see if it will succeed, then it won't. Software is becoming a driving force behind the success of hardware. Clint <Chaocity>
#106149From: Mike SchillerJul 5, 1993 11:05 AM
Clint: Software is BECOMING the driving force? I thought that it was for a while now, witness the HUGE success of the Amiga, with all of it's big name software availability! 🙁 // -Mike Schiller \X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
#105987From: Tom SawyerJul 3, 1993 6:54 PM
Todd, Why is it that when Atari has a new machine comming out, their stock goes up. But with all the rumors floating around about the Amiga 5000, Commodore stock goes down?
#106009From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLIJul 3, 1993 10:19 PM
Tom: Atari announced the Jaguar, Commodore has not made any such announcement about the 5000. One is a planned product which may or may not ever make it to market, the other is just a rumor which may have no substance behind it at all. People will gamble more readily on an announcement than on a rumor (though rumors have been known to push stocks in one direction or another). Clint <Chaocity>
#106040From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPJul 4, 1993 9:53 AM
The reason Atari's stock went up like it did was the announcement that IBM would build the Jaguar. Atari's stock price didn't move that much (like a point, maybe a point and a half) when Jaguar was first announced. You can get that information by typing GO SECURITIES, and requesting daily quotes information. The 5000 April fool's joke has been going around for months now, so I doubt that has much to do with anything either. I've been hearing about the Jaguar for about 6 months now. I'd love to see one of those things when it's out. I just hope they keep going on the Lynx, 'cause I love the one I have. Steve
#106162From: Tom SawyerJul 5, 1993 11:35 AM
Steve, Thanks for the info. It looks like Atari could have a hit on its hands. Especially with IBM there to help fund the beast. Atari users have somthing to get excited about. As for Commodore it looks bad. Layoffs, losses, loss of software support. Do you think it's possible that if Commodore stocks go low enough some company like SONY might go for it? I can't imagine any other way out of this mess. Thomas
#106180From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPJul 5, 1993 1:14 PM
No other way out? Sure there is… Commodore could end up doing the same thing Atari did: a partnership with another company. Anything is possible… Who would have guessed that IBM would be building stuff for Atari? The real question I have is this: What good will become of Commodore and Atari making game consoles? I mean, what good for people that own Amigas and STs? At Atari, game consoles are a completely different division, so I'm not sure how or if strong Jaguar sales will help the computer lines. I think that it's likely that profits from the CD32 or any new technology we see there will be put back into the Amiga line. Anyway, I'm not really worried yet. Commodore is suffering the same way that the rest of the industry is now. To quote from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail": "I'm not dead!" 🙂
#106448From: Tom SawyerJul 7, 1993 7:37 PM
Yes.. hearing about Apple laying off all them people makes me feel better already.:) Thomas
#107216From: LOUISJul 14, 1993 9:53 PM
Tom, A local Computer Newspaper here in Chicago says that Apple will soon be releasing PC's with an Intel 486 inside. They say the code name is Houdini. Supposedly, you will be able to run Windoze or System 7 at a flip of a switch. <sarcastic amazement> Oh Boy! -Louis On AUTOPILOT
#107368From: Tom SawyerJul 16, 1993 10:44 PM
Louis, Windoze or system 7 at the flip of a switch? Anybody can do that! But can it run Amiga Dos? <no, no, never>:) Thomas
#107377From: Robert ComerJul 16, 1993 11:05 PM
No, but an Amiga can run Windows, System/7, and AmigaDOS, as we all know… 🙂 Perhaps C= should get into the same act, And I've heard about Emplants being bundled with 4000's in Europe. Could be a good selling point here if they iron out all the Emplant inconsistencies. Bob Comer — Cruising the nets on AutoPilot from Cheyenne, Wyoming
#107380From: Jonathan BlackwellJul 16, 1993 11:30 PM
My Emplant runs like a champ! No inconsistencies in my setup. -Jonathan
#107430From: Robert ComerJul 17, 1993 10:59 AM
Unfortunately, not everyone has your luck, but I'mm going to buy one when the 1200 version comes out. Bob Comer — Cruising the nets on AutoPilot from Cheyenne, Wyoming
#108146From: LOUISJul 25, 1993 5:20 AM
Tom, "Windoze or system 7 at the flip of a switch? Anybody can do that!" I know I know. 🙂 I never could understand all the excitement. You never see any articles about that pre-existing aspect of the Amiga. <no, no, never> -Louis On AUTOPILOT
#106197From: Christian BusseJul 5, 1993 3:21 PM
Steve, BTW, did you know that the software for the Lynx is developed on … the AMIGA? Source: Combo (Commodore's own Mailbox in Frankfurt). They have a list of applications the Amiga is used for. If someone is interested, I'd translate it into English and upload it somewhere hereabouts… // Chris coming in from Germany \X/ on AutoPilot 1.051……….
#106204From: Robert ComerJul 5, 1993 3:59 PM
I knew that Lynx software was developed on the Amiga, however, I would be interested to see the list! Bob Comer — Cruising the nets on AutoPilot from Cheyenne, Wyoming
#106231From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPJul 5, 1993 10:04 PM
Yes, I knew that. As a matter of fact, some of the members of the original Amiga team created the Lynx! Steve
#106290From: Steve AhlstromJul 6, 1993 1:15 PM
The "…some of the members of the original Amiga team [that] created the Lynx…" are now with 3DO. BTW, in case no one noticed, check CBU stock. Someone is buying rather heavily. As of this hour transactions are at 430k (about 300k higher than daily activity over the last 3-4 weeks) and the stock is up 3/4. -sja
#106308From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPJul 6, 1993 4:42 PM
I noticed that too. The stock was already up 3/4 by mid-morning. It would be interesting to see how the distribution activity was throughout the day. Steve
#106347From: LOUISJul 6, 1993 9:48 PM
"The "…some of the members of the original Amiga team [that] created the Lynx…" are now with 3DO." boy, this Amiga team is sure getting around…. =Louis On AUTOPILOT
#106463From: Robert ComerJul 7, 1993 10:03 PM
Thanks for the good news! Bob Comer — Cruising the nets on AutoPilot from Cheyenne, Wyoming
#106496From: Wayne ColeJul 8, 1993 1:58 AM
Probably Irv baby trying to make sure he has enough clout to keep himself on the board so he can get in another year or tow of financial rape of CBM wmc – via Autopilot!
#106590From: Rob SalmonJul 8, 1993 10:12 PM
Steve, I don't think that sales number represents real buying. More likely it is short sellers closing out their positions. A couple of investor advisories recommended shorting C= when it was 5 and change in June.
#106612From: Steve AhlstromJul 8, 1993 11:32 PM
Rob, That could be — however, if that were the case I'd expect that the daily activity level wouldn't have peak on a given day — but would have been more evenly spread out over the week.
#106729From: Rob SalmonJul 9, 1993 9:42 PM
I will refrain from making cynical comments on the action in C='s stock and offer you the "dead cat" theory. That is, dropped from high enough, even a dead cat will bounce. 🙂
#106736From: Steve AhlstromJul 9, 1993 10:25 PM
Well, the dead cat bounced a bit higher today.
#107080From: New Horizons SoftwareJul 13, 1993 11:21 AM
Steve, The cats not dead until you look in the box. Randy Brooks
#106426From: Peter JonesJul 7, 1993 2:02 PM
Chris, Love to see that list! Pete Jones, flying on AutoPilot from Brussels, Belgium
#106213From: Leslie T. BartiromoJul 5, 1993 5:33 PM
I have a Lynx also and I think it's fantastic! Atari has put software for Lynx on the back burner while they concentrate on the Jaguar but the Lynx beats what I've seen of the competition hands down.
#106232From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPJul 5, 1993 10:04 PM
A new game called "Battle Wheels" is just out for the Lynx. Connect up to six players. If you have any friends that own a Lynx, be sure to play some of the head-to-head games. It brings a whole new dimension to the game! Steve
#106342From: Leslie T. BartiromoJul 6, 1993 9:01 PM
I saw Battle Wheels briefly at an Atari Show here in Connecticut. (Why can't I find an AMIGA show in Connecticut??!!) It looked like a lot of fun. There were 6 kids all hooked up together running each other over! I have heard Warbirds is also great when com-linked.
#106384From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPJul 7, 1993 6:24 AM
I've played Warbirds Lynx-ed together. Another great game. Steve