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#156317From: Jonathan HirschmanJul 14, 1994 10:05 AM
Thought that Robert X. Cringely's latest "rumor" might serve as a good recap… "It is also the availability of fast processors that has led to such low bids for bankrupt Commodore [this paragraph follows another talking about how Pentium and work-alike prices are dropping through the floor]. The trustees last month rejected a reported offer of $1.5 million for the whole darned company." Robert continues on, with some editorializing on his part: "But the lowball offer makes some sense. All the Amiga custom chips are still amazing, but as CPUs themselves get faster, the value of these chips diminishes. Any bidder (there are six, and the bids must be in by July 15) would be interested in continuing sales in Europe and getting royalties from NewTek, the VIdeo Toaster folks, but an Amiga renaissance is unlikely." Jonathan
#156405From: Mr. ChalleronJul 15, 1994 3:34 AM
Yeah, I wrote him an Email last week asking him to try to find out what's going on down in the Bahamas; either he didn't look very hard, or else now HE'S under a "non-disclosure agreement"…. Didja also happen to notice that Stewart Alsop managed to AGAIN mention OS/2 and Amiga in the same breath? (As I told Cringely, I didn't write to Alsop because "anyone who dismisses OS/2 users as next-generation Amiga freaks doesn't want to hear anything I have to say; like that IBM could do a lot worse than to emulate the Amiga Workbench….") Hey, as long as they keep our Girlfriend's name in the papers…. "Amiga–Si!! Commodore–%$#@*&!!!" Mr. C
#156473From: Jonathan HirschmanJul 15, 1994 10:48 PM
Mr. C… What I wonder is why the Amiga is getting mentioned so much now? I mean, if you don't mention something because it ain't newsworthy, why would the death notice of same become newsworthy? Maybe now that C= is out of biz, Microsoft has relaxed its press censorship of our favorite machine 🙂 Jonathan
#156509From: SyndesisJul 16, 1994 9:27 AM
Microsoft press censorship? I called their PR agency a week or so ago just to ask about one product, Chicago. They sent a huge packet… the "reviewer's guide" is about an inch and a half thick, 8.5 x 11. Then there's the rest of the press kit. The reviewer's guide is larger and better-written than all the AmigaDOS manuals combined. Microsoft is huge! When I called Commodore for official PR, I felt lucky when I'd get a folder with more than eight-ten pages in it.
#156623From: Bob SupakJul 17, 1994 12:29 PM
Press censorship paying off magazines to not put info in them about certain information they deem "competitive" 🙂 I'm sure it goes on.
#156745From: Jim ButterfieldJul 18, 1994 5:37 PM
I don't think you'll find too many examples of suppliers "paying off" magazines not to print certain information. But there are more subtle approaches to achieve similar end results, such as: 1. "You must sign a non-disclosure agreement before we tell you about this new product/new version". A tough one for publications: what's the point in hearing about things you are prohibited from publishing? But many will go for it, since it's the only way to get a preview of the product, and thus be ready to put it to press FAST. Sadly, some suppliers never get around to telling the publications that it's OK to print the stuff now; it's often "well, competitor xxx has published it, so I suppose it's OK for us to do so now". A few writers/publications refuse to sign non-disclosures, but most do. 2. "I don't think we can advertise any of our products in a publication that has unfairly criticized one of our new releases", or, "If the review looks good, we're prepared to come in with a two-page full-color advertising spread". Pretty blatant, really, but occasionally publications have gone for this kind of thing. Not often. 3. "Our development staff are spending a week in Acapulco, and we'd like one of your staff to join us – at our expense, of course – to see how we get it all together". VERY rare in this day and age, at least for the small computer press. But when it does, well, it's not easy for a writer to come down hard on those wild and crazy guys who were so much fun. No overt pressure at all, but it's there in the background. 4. With no intervention of any sort: many readers may well have already bought a product, and writers are often reluctant to tell such users that they have just spent hundreds of bucks on cr*p. Readers often buy publications to find out how to use what they have already got, not to be told that they have junk. A writer can often soften his/her stand because of this. But cash payoffs? Naaah. –Jim
#156787From: Bob SupakJul 18, 1994 11:10 PM
In essence it is basically down to money. Advertising money pressure holding back information to a certain non-compliant organization. In the information business it is money. Not direct – pst hey buddy over here kinda thing.
#156809From: Malcolm O'BrienJul 19, 1994 1:59 AM
Hi Jim, I don't much mind the NDAs. If they tell you March 15 and that's your closing date or whatever you can have your story all ready and laid out right on time kind of thing. The most annoying thing is that virtually days after I sign one I see the damn thing on the cover of an American mag and know that my mag is 3-4 weeks away. THAT is annoying! When I signed for MS Visual C++, the first thing they said was, "Well, they had you sign NDA at the door but I must tell you that this is written up in today's InfoWorld but some of that data is wrong." At that point it was more silly than annoying. 2. One of my mags had people stay away for awhile after bad write-ups. We did one story on cross-border PC buying and a distributor wrote to us livid that we'd speak positively about buying in America. He made noises about NEVER advertising again. I've also got more "make it look good to get the ad" stuff from my sales guy than from the vendor! Also annoying. 3. Funny times have mostly come from HP and Toshiba in my experience and they always had stuff that you'd have good words for anyway. 4. When I review a piece of crap, I say truthful things and I try to say something nice before I say something bad. If the average reader reads the article 6 or 8 times and thinks about it, they'll say, "Oh, I get it. Piece of crap." Course, others in the biz will read once and say, "Oh, piece of crap, eh?" 😀 If there ARE cash payoffs, I'm sure they're exceedingly rare. The line-up would be too big otherwise. HAR! My 2 cents. Malcolm
#156831From: Lou WallaceJul 19, 1994 8:18 AM
Just to echo what Jim said, I've been writing for over 10 years. Once, and only once was I offered a 'bribe' to get a good review. It was when I was a free lance writer about 8 years ago. I reported teh incident to my editor and went on to trash the product – on its merits. As far as influence on a magazine directly, companies will often scream bloody murder when they get a negative review – and will threaten to pull advertising. And some will do so. In fact I recently received such a thjreat from a very well known company. My response was just to laugh and tell them I am glad I work for a magazine where I am allowed to say that ads make no difference in how we cover a product, and threats such as thgis could give me a suspicious attitude about them. They quit making such threats. Lou
#156520From: Brian LoweJul 16, 1994 11:10 AM
>> I mean, if you don't mention something because it ain't newsworthy, why would the death notice of same become newsworthy? << Watch any evening news show for the answer to this question. What you see are sports, weather and obituaries. Good news is no news, Brian
#156565From: Malcolm O'BrienJul 16, 1994 9:52 PM
Jonathan, >> why would the death notice of same become newsworthy? When Transactor went down, a magazine lamented our departure. A magazine that had NEVER mentioned us before and refused to trade ads with us. Stay out of publishing… and computer building. Malcolm
#156628From: Daniel J. McCoyJul 17, 1994 1:39 PM
I'd love to write to this Robert Cringely to express my disatisfaction of having to deal with systems with so called "fast" CPUs in place of custom chips, not to mention other hardware oddities that shouldn't exist in today's computing industry. Dan Who hates his 486DX2/66 with 8MB and would MUCH rather use his Amiga 3000! Daniel J. McCoy // CIS – 73742,3072 AP Engaged! \X/ Render 'till ya drop!
#156683From: Mr. ChalleronJul 18, 1994 1:05 AM
Writing to him's easy enough, with our Internet mail-link; his address is "cringe@infoworld.com" (without the quote marks). Don't expect a lot of sympathy (or one of his "infamous" coffee mugs either)…. "Amiga–Si!! Commodore–%$#@*&!!!" Mr. C