CompuServe Thread

used 1000 or new 500?

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#7096From: Mark J FalkAug 19, 1988 9:44 PM
I am about to buy an amiga, but don't know which one to get. I can get a used 1000 with 512k, second ext. drive and genlock with some software for about $500. I can also get a new 500 for 600. I want to use the system to play with video productions(i.e. genlocks, frame grabers …) I have a mac+ for most of my other needs but a mac II is just overpriced. Also I have always wanted to play with an Amiga. Will the 1000 suit my uses. I know I will have to add some memory. Local store(bit bucket in boston area) says I will need about 2MB. Any comments on the above questions would sure be helpfull. mark falk
#7117From: Nelson IngersollAug 20, 1988 12:00 AM
Mark – I own an Amiga 1000. I would be very surprised if you could get a 500 outfitted as the 1000 you described for a measly $600. I would suggest that you look at the keyboards, the A1000's detachable, the A500's closer to the industry standards. As for expansion, immediately the A1000 wins hands down. The A1000 can support an additional 2MB and a disk controller. The A500 needs additional power supplies (read $$$) for the same effect. The A1000 will reportedly not be able to support any fatter CHIP memory, whereas the A500 apparently will. (CHIP memory is absolutely essential for video!) However, $500 for an outfitted A1000 (assuming it is functional) is a good price. BTW – I highly recommend the Microbotics StarBoard-II 2MB expansion memory (et.al.) – Nelson …
#7227From: Mark J FalkAug 20, 1988 2:42 PM
Nelson, thanks for the reply. Yes, it is functional. I went looking for prices on memory for the A1000. I can get in the boston area a .5MB add on board for about $400. If I were to buy a A500 it would cost $600 for the A500, $200 for the .5MB memory upgrade, $200 for the second ext. disk drive, and $200 for a genlock. This adds up to $1200. If I buy the used A1000 it will cost $500 for the main unit and another $400 for the .5MB memory upgrade for a total of $900. The delta is $400. So my question is, is the it worth it to spend another $400 to end up with a A500(with 1MB of memory), second ext. disk drive and genlock, all new. The used A1000 I think has the commodore genlock. One of the local dealers says that thay never worked very well. Is that true? I have seen some of the things that my friend did on this A1000 and it sure looked good to me. Anyway thanks again for the help. Mark Falk
#7247From: Henry ColonnaAug 20, 1988 6:30 PM
I wouldn't buy an A500. It's cheap and the keyboard's stuck to the computer. The 2000 should be your ultimate goal. Buy a 1000 and buy only expansion hardware that can be upgraded to fit into a 2000 later.
#7253From: John Sobernheim(TCR)Aug 20, 1988 6:48 PM
define cheap.
#7297From: Henry ColonnaAug 21, 1988 7:15 AM
Well, three people have had their mouse rust out internally within 4 to 5 months. In fact, it just happened to the demo computer – the painted metal rollers inside the computer rusted and the ball wouldn't turn. Many people have had defective problems with the Chinon drives, regarded by alot of people I know as some of the worst in the entire computer industry. The power supply is pathetic. Overall, the A500 is an inexpensive computer that's a very good value next to most other things out there – but it's also very cheaply made. Many cut corners, high defective rates, etc.
#7332From: Don Curtis/SYSOPAug 21, 1988 4:28 PM
Henry, I don't know about your mouse, but the rollers in my mouse are NOT painted. They are bright metal all the way. If you see what looks like paint on them…my guess is that it's dirt. Try to remove it and see if things start to work again. I recall an earlier discussion about this and many folks thought there was a rubber coating on the metal rollers…but close examination showed it to be an accumulation of dirt that was easily removed and the mouse started to work again just fine. Don
#7375From: Henry ColonnaAug 21, 1988 8:20 PM
I understand that there are several mice in use by Commodore. One of these mice(s) has plastic rollers, another one is the 1000 mouse, and another one is the kind of mouse I am describing. There may even be more. The mouse that I am describing has rollers made of a metal that rusts, and it's got silver paint on it. You can chip the paint off with your fingernails, eventually it falls off by itself. After that happens, a couple of months later the rollers actually rust, and turn brownish from the rust. The dirt gets into the little rust pits and you cannot get it out, without a pin, which digs into the roller more. Eventually the roller becomes unuseable. That makes the mouse unuseable. This happened on the demo computer at work very quickly. when I play game,s my palms sweat like crazy. There's even a noticeable wet spot on the mouse mat. So our computer's mouse was rusted within 6 months. Other customer's have taken up to a year have taken longer. To the best of my knowledge, these mice were only packaged in A500's.
#7395From: Nelson IngersollAug 21, 1988 9:54 PM
Henry – Sounds to me that the "silver paint that comes off" is a good description of a poor job of chroming steel. – Nelson …
#7447From: Don Curtis/SYSOPAug 21, 1988 11:41 PM
Henry, I'd have to agree with Nelson…sounds like a crummy chrome job. I can't imagine painting the rollers as a viable opion. Either that, or a dishonest manufacturer tried (and apparently succeeded) to pass off a cheap painted roller for a chrome plated roller. Geeze, the cost difference has to be all of about 1/4 cent or less. Even if they made a million of them, that'd only be $2500. Don
#7390From: John Sobernheim(TCR)Aug 21, 1988 9:38 PM
Henry, While early on in its life I would probably have tended to agree with you regrding the high defective rate on the A500. However, C-A in my opinion has turned that around and today its rare for us to come up with a DOA A500. The power-supply sold with the A500 provides all the power needed for C-A recommended configurations. If you expand furthur you will need more power. Afterall, I don't hear you bitching about the extra power required to drive a hard drive on the A1000. On the A500 we need extra power for memory too. What's the big deal? The mouse sold with the A500 is exactly the same except for the connector as what is sold with the A1000, A2000, PC-10 and works fine. I've never had one rust. Actually, I take that back about them being all the same. I just opened my mouse on my A2k and it's got white plastic rollers. The other rollers that I can remember seeing are metal (unpainted) and now you say there are some painted metal rollers out there too. Anyway, I've never seen one rust, and in general I've found the mice to be the same as far as life and reliability. (both fair to good) Can't really say much about the drives, haven't needed to look inside to many A500's myself. I can say that I have not found an abnormally high defective rate on A500s. The point of the last message was just to make you think again before you go bashing the A500 as I think C-A has done some good work at fixing early problems. Also I think a lot of your ideas just come from the A500 being at the low end of Amiga computers. Being less expensive does not necesarily imply being 'cheap'. -John
#7520From: Lee SheldonAug 22, 1988 1:43 PM
John, I certainly agree. I bought one of the first 500's, had the first 500 on this forum, and have had zero mechanical problems with it. When the mouse squeaks a little too much I wipe off the rollers (metal BTW, and not "painted" or "rusty"). The power supply has been adequate, and has not failed. The disk drives are operating fine. I've gotten used to the attached keyboard. The ONLY reason I'll be upgrading to a 2XXX will be further expansion needs. I don't have the deskspace the 500 requires for the same expansion. Lee
#7527From: jack radiganAug 22, 1988 3:41 PM
John, I've got an older A1000, the mouse it came with is definately different from those that come with the 500 & 2000. Mine weighs quite a bit more and has a sliding cover to access the ball. The two different versions I've seen on the 500 & 2000 are lighter, have a rotating cover and a smaller ball. The teflon pads on the bottom don't seem as high in quality either. I never took a close look at the rollers other than to notice that mine used metal and the others had either metal or plastic. The paint? I'd agree that it probably was a bum chrome job. -Jack-
#7262From: Nelson IngersollAug 20, 1988 8:55 PM
Mark – The A1000 with the .5MB memory expansion can QED be expanded to a full 2MB (plus the .5MB internal) whilst the A500 will be stuck at 1MB. $400 will buy a nice bit of software. If you are really into video I think, personally, you would be happier with the A1000. However, please understand that free advice is worth exactly what you pay for it. – Nelson …
#7521From: Lee SheldonAug 22, 1988 1:43 PM
Nelson, What do you mean the 500 will be stuck at 1MB? I have 3MB on mine, and there are boards on the market to expand the 500 INTERNALLY to 2.5MB. Lee