CompuServe Thread

SUPERBASE 4 AMIGA

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#18332From: Ronn BlackAug 14, 1990 8:30 AM
I would like to confirm that I am reading the information about SuperBase Professional 4 for the Amiga. Will it be possible for Amigas & PCs each running SBPro4 to Co-Exist in a networked environment with simultaneous access to the same database(s)? I am aware that SuperBase can import DBase files but will it ever be possible to operate in a DBase mode rather than importing so that it could Co-exist with other machines running DBase? Another question I have is that I was wondering how Superbase relates to SQL databases. Will it ever be (or is it now) possible for SuperBase to interface with an SQL Database server residing somewhere else in the network. Forgive me if I am asking some really irrelevant questions I don't have a lot of Database experience. Ronn Black 76376,3342 (919)277-2285
#18339From: Joe KuzmaAug 14, 1990 8:12 PM
Ronn, Though this may not help you any – I have used Superbase on both the Amiga and PC (Windows 3.0). They are different, yet alike. As far as I can see, currently it is not possible for them to co-exist on a networked system. Superbase for the PC has a system called SQL*Connect (I believe that is what its called) which adds SQL to Superbase queries. Unfortunately, I doubt it's available on the Amiga. Joe
#18342From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 14, 1990 10:08 PM
Joe, I may be wrong, but I think SuperBASE 4.0 for the Amiga is going to be compatible with the Windows version, and that they can be networked together. I cannot recall where I read this, but I'm sure I read it somewhere. ……Betty
#18396From: Duke Lane/Precision SWAug 20, 1990 11:27 PM
The idea behind SB4 Amiga and PC being file-compatible is just that: the ability to simultaneously work on the same files across a network, provided only that both the Amiga and PC are both running the same or compatible network software (hence Novell), and that both copies are authorized to have an appropriate number of simultaneous users. More on this later. SB4 (both versions) can already READ dBase files directly without importing, but not write back to them in their native format. Whether this will be added to a future PC product and/or to the Amiga version I am not sure, but personally, I'm lobbying for it. Meanwhile, there are many good reasons for going thru the import/export routine, primarily related to file size (SB uses variable-length records, storing only the characters you actually use rahter than reserving "spaces"), no limits to the number of fields (dBase limits you to 128), and no limit to the number of characters (dBase has a max of 4000 per record, SB has a max of 4000 per FIELD!). Other things like long notes fields, etc are also important to many people, as are the ability to use graphics, etc. If we DO include dBase write ability (and I'm NOT saying we will or even might!), then all these things become moot. Currently, SB4/Windows can access SQL databases via DLLs or DDE (external C routines, commonly by other vendors, or thru something similar in concept to ARexx where one app can speak to and control another), and future releases will have SQL embedded within DML. How this will be implemented or even IF it will be implemented in the Amiga version, I don't know: I'm not technical enough to understand the implications or even necessarily the need at this stage. The changes are good, too, that at least on the PC,' we'll build a SQL front end product, but that's a ways off if it happens. I personally wonder about the viability of that in the Amiga market, both because of the general profile of the companies using both the machine AND SQL databases, as well as many people's willingness to put out the kind of money for Amiga software that something like this is likely to cost. Your thoughts?
#18408From: Brian Simmons/COAug 21, 1990 7:50 PM
Variable length records? Really? I was limiting the length of my character fields because I didn't wan't to have a lot of unused space lying around. Can we have more details like this? This kind of information would help ALOT in choosing methods to implement a database. —–> Brian Simmons, Denver, Colorado.
#18432From: Duke Lane/Precision SWAug 23, 1990 6:47 PM
Busy as I am (12-14 hour days, 6-7 day weeks, no joke), I'll do what I can to get additional information out, but mostly I must limit it to answering questions cuz, as you know, there is so MUCH you can say about SB that it would take MEGABYTES of files to contain it all, and STILL I'd miss something important. Feel free to ask away, tho… –Duke
#18410From: Ray LewisAug 21, 1990 8:51 PM
Re your SQL info: I'm just getting into Oracle at work, running on a UNIX box through a TCP/IP link to my AT BRidge, using a Novell setup as a sort of "shell". Will SB4, Novell flavor, permit me to work boack and forth with the Oracle setup, provided I stick to plain vanilla SQL? ?|^] Ray Lewis
#18434From: Duke Lane/Precision SWAug 23, 1990 6:54 PM
I'm not sure how you'll be able to work best with the Amiga version of SB4 and Oracle SQL database, but the Windows product is a different animal in this regard: after all, you must admit that the overall market demand for the Amiga to act as a front end to Oracle is pretty small, even despite the plusses it offers. Right now, on the PC– which DOES have a large demand for SQL front ends– we use 3rd party products which translate DML code to SQL statements and pass them on to the server. In Windows, we do this via DDE, or Dynamic Data Exchange, which is very similar in concept if not functionality with the ARexx port. I'm not aware of any such products currently available for the Amiga, but if you or someone else does, please let me know. I don't anticipate that embedded SQL will be a feature of SB4/Amiga, but that will depend at least to some degree on the finalized release date. Sorry, but I can't say any more than that at present. –Duke
#18438From: Ray LewisAug 23, 1990 9:23 PM
Well, I suspect that the next 6 to 9 months will tell us all a lot about the Amiga and hard-core business applications, what with the Unix box coming out, the 3000, TCP/IP-Novell-DECNet hardware and software, etc. all coming out for the platform. Might just break the old chicken/egg problem, y'know! ?|^] Ray Lewis
#18439From: Rob SalmonAug 23, 1990 10:51 PM
Ray, we are getting a SQL operation going under UNIX. I am looking at getting XWindows for the Amiga as an interface. Might that work for you? Rob.
#18450From: Ray LewisAug 25, 1990 11:36 AM
It might. I'm just learning about this stuff! Right now, I'm hooked into a novell net on the at bridge side. They have Oracle running on a Unix box, and I can link into it through Novell. I have the link up, and they were about to give me a protected area in which to play with unix and Oracle when that ConEd station went out in lower Manhattan. Our building was out of power for a week. Just came back up last Monday, and I was so busy getting caught up, I didn't get back to see if I was ready to roll. I hope to do so next week. I sure would like to hook into the Novell and TCP/IP stuff direct from the Amiga, tho. As I said, I'm very early on the learning curve regarding any of the networking hardware/software issues, tho, so I don't even know at this time what question to ask!
#18531From: Rob SalmonSep 2, 1990 1:26 AM
Ray, if you want to play with Oracle, ask if your ADP people have Professional Oracle (I think that's the name). It runs on Clones and is sort of a "demo"of Oracle 5.1B. That version isn't the latest but it just great for learning SQL without tears. The "demo" compromise is that it won't save a data base bigger than 1 MB. It's not being made for more current versions of Oracle but lots of shops have it lying around somewhere – it was almost a giveaway at $199 when O was putting it out. Rob.
#18570From: Wayde HiguchiSep 4, 1990 2:49 AM
Rob, Professional Oracle — it that the one that required 10MB of disk space and 3MB of RAM? I remember receiving a mailing for such a software package, but also remember not ordering it… Wayde