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#Hard Drive Woes

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#117567From: Nevin LongardnerAug 22, 1990 9:50 PM
Hi. I have a 40mb SCSI Miniscribe hard drive mounted on a Microbotics HardFrame 2000. I have been getting Read/Write errors on my hard drive for months now. I get them with approximately 20mb left on the drive. I recently purchased the Dunlap Utilities. DU contains a program called VerifyDisk that deallocates bad sectors so the Amiga won't attempt to use 'em… at least that's what I got out of the docs. To make a long story medium, I have tried low level formats, high level formats and the VerifyDisk utility but am still receiving read/write errors when my drive gets a little over half way full. Does it sound like my drive is bad? Does anyone know how to get a Miniscribe drive serviced these days? I bought it from a wholesaler (Hamilton-Avenet) who at the time was one Miniscribes largest resellers. With Miniscribe in bankruptcy, I wonder if I will have trouble getting it fixed. Wishing he'd bought a Quantum… Nevin
#117575From: John GagerAug 22, 1990 11:46 PM
I remember reading way back that early beta versions of the 1.3 FastFileSystem would trash a hard drive when it got over half way full. Make sure you have the latest version (mine is Version 36.03 dated 5/9/89). Probably not your problem unless you accidently got ahold of an old version somewhere. And as far as MiniScribe goes, I've been burned also. I have a 40meg in the corner that has a bad controller card that I would like to get fixed, but the repair costs are almost as much as what I originally paid for the drive! So I now have a Quantum 105S and I'm very happy with it so far. So maybe your best bet is to go ahead and get a Quantum, and use the MiniScribe for a bookend 8*) John Gager
#117633From: Gary S. CooperAug 23, 1990 4:20 PM
Concerning the reliability of Quantum drives – my system has been down for about a month now due to the failure of my Quant I would expect better than 6 months service from such an expensive drive but the dealer I spoke to said they have problems with heads sticking and inadequate startup current due to aging solder joints. The real fun comes when you try to return the drive for warranty repairs. Quantum demands the user get RA numbers not only from the dealer but from anyone who has ever handled the drive prior to the dealer from which you purchased it ( I'm serious – this is the policy I was given after waiting several days for a return call on their tech line ). All things considered Quantum wont be the supplier of my next hard drive – they may have a technically superior product but the company seems unable to deal with the consumers real needs for warranty support. \exit
#117727From: Supra CorpAug 24, 1990 1:13 PM
Gary, Quantum, as are most large drive manufacturers, is not really set up to deal with a bunch of enduser warranty repairs. Their warranty period usually starts from the time that the drive is shipped to their first customer. To have your warranty verified, they have to find this first invoice and shipping date. This is probably the reason that they asked for all of the RA numbers. You have discovered the hard way some of the pitfalls of endusers, or dealers, building up their own drive systems. Everything usually is great as long as the drive works, but if it fails you may have a big problem. Waiting several months for a drive to be repaired is not too uncommon. Buying the complete system from a drive vendor like Supra often will be advantageous when you have problems. We repair all customer drives immediately, even if we have to replace them with a brand new one. The we take care of have the defective repaired by the original manufacturer. The customer often has an operating drive back from us within a week. A lot of people think they can save a lot of money be building their own system. But I suggest that they consider all of the long term costs and ramifications of doing so. John Supra Corp.
#117652From: Nevin LongardnerAug 23, 1990 7:52 PM
And a very expensive bookend at that (sigh). Thanks for your comments. My FastFileSystem is dated 10/89. Nevin
#117594From: Peter SmithemAug 23, 1990 6:53 AM
Nevin, When you first set up the drive did it format out to as many cylinders as your mountlist entry says exist on the drive? When I was setting up one of my hard drives the format kept bombing out before it got to the end of the disk and I got errors once the disk became full enough. I ended up running format over and over until the entire drive formatted. Peter_S (LeCroy Corp) "Software means never having to say you're finished"
#117654From: Nevin LongardnerAug 23, 1990 7:54 PM
One of the advantages of the HardFrame controller is it automounts. I'll have to go back and take a closer look at what I have after I format. Thanks for your comments. Nevin
#117645From: Bob RakoskyAug 23, 1990 6:32 PM
Nevin, One possibility is that you've set up the drive for more cylinders than are actually available for use. I've fallen into this trap before, and encountered symptoms similar to what you are reporting. When you did the high-level format of the drive partitions (AmigaDOS format command), did you use the "Quick" option or not? If you did, than this is likely your problem (as the Quick format doesn't do much, and won't fail even if you "lied" about the size of the drive, within limits). I have found that some drives claim to have more cylinders available than are actually available. This is because some of the cylinders are reserved (for bad-block remapping, and sometimes for the software needed by the drive's controller). If I remember correctly, the number reported by my large Miniscribe disk to the Hardframe's rdprep program was not correct, and I had to manually adjust it when I partitioned the drive. The only way I found to really get things set up stably is to use trial-and-error. Try setting up the drive with the number of cylinders you think it should be. Then do an AmigaDOS format of the last partition (do a "full" format, not a QUICK one). If the format command fails, take note of the cylinder it failed on, and treat that as the high-cylinder. I've used this method while setting up a number of HD's of various size and manufacture, and I've yet to have a problem. By the way, Miniscribe is no longer in bankruptcy. They were bought out by Maxtor. I don't know if Maxtor is doing anything in way of support for the Mini's or not. If you really need, a friend of a friend of mine was a former repair tech for Miniscribe, and I think he has gone "independant" in the HD repair business. If you'd like, I can make a couple of phone calls to see if he wants his name/address publicized or not and pass this on if it's OK with him. Hope this helps… …BobR White Wolf Productions
#117655From: Nevin LongardnerAug 23, 1990 7:57 PM
Thanks for the info, Bob. Yes, did perform the QUICK bankrupt as that's what the HardFrame docs recommended. I'll get back to you after I've tried the regular format command. Thanks again, Nevin