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#MacUser Loves Toaster?

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#11166From: Marcus MullinsAug 15, 1991 1:34 PM
Has anyone read the article in the August issue of MacUser comparing Mac video post production hardware? The REFERENCE standard was a Toaster and Amiga! Although the general tone of the article was definately biased in favor of the Mac user interface, quite a few times the Toaster received praise when compared with the best Mac products. The entire article had a liberal dose of phrases such as "…Toaster — a DTV product that easily outperformed the best Mac card…", "[for broadcast quality] Mac DTV quality simply isn't good enough", "For out-of-the-box broadcast quality DTV production, however, you might consider a non-Mac product, the NewTek Video Toaster…", "[Toaster] features good enough for video producers to drool over — all at an unbeatable price", "[Mac] DTV is a mere crumb compared with the Toaster." I bet there are going to be a lot of heated letters to MacUser next month! 😉 Marcus Mullins 🙂
#11168From: Kevin DarlingAug 15, 1991 7:49 PM
Dunno why there'd be lots of heated letters to MacUser… after all, a peripheral is a peripheral, no matter what it contains. And normal Amiga DTV is also "a mere crumb compared with the Toaster" <grin>. What amazes me, is the number of heated messages I've seen from people who hate NewTek for taking off the Amiga label!
#11176From: Marcus MullinsAug 15, 1991 10:38 PM
I have mixed emotions about NewTek distancing themselves from the Amiga. On the one hand, companies are founded to create money and provide a lively-hood to those that are associated with it (I don't know of too many people who start companies because "wow, if the world only had a gas powered super-widget, everybody would be happy", although the Amiga development might very well fall into that catagory ;-). I certainly won't fault NewTek for wanting to capitalize on a good shot at making it big in the business world. On the other hand, I wonder what the future is for any new computer that starts life as a home computer, if it is viewed by developers as a stepping stone to bigger and better (?) platforms. I wonder if NewTek would have been as successful had they started out developing for the Mac or PC (who knows, as talented as those guys are, they would probably be successful at just about anything that they do — provided they have a little marketing savy; Commodore has shown us the need for that no matter how good the product). Well, I'll just get off my soap box now and go to bed 🙂 Marcus
#11189From: David KieltykaAug 17, 1991 9:38 AM
Marcus, I suspect NewTek prefers to downplay the Amiga portion of the Toaster/Amiga synergy because of Commodore's abysmal image (largely deserved, unfortunately) in the PC and Mac worlds. I don't blame them a bit; if I were NewTek I sure wouldn't want C='s reputation interfering with _my_ success. -Dave-
#11194From: Kevin DarlingAug 17, 1991 9:53 AM
Dave – Nah… I think NewTek puts their own label on the system for the same reason Commodore puts their own label on the monitors and other things they sell. If you're the company which sells and supports something, your name is the one that goes on front… no matter what parts made by someone else are inside. This kind of thing is done all the time. kev
#11195From: David KieltykaAug 17, 1991 10:15 AM
Kev, Well, I guess that's part of it…. But I still stand by what I said. I doubt NewTek would be covering up the Apple logo with a sticker if the Toaster had been designed to plug into a Mac NuBus slot. If you're associated with a company that has a good reputation, you probably want to play-up your association rather than hide it. -Dave
#11196From: David KieltykaAug 17, 1991 10:18 AM
Hey, the end of my message got chopped off. I was gonna brag about my quick response to Kev's message. I guess the Ego Censor got me. 8^)
#11202From: Kevin DarlingAug 17, 1991 3:29 PM
Heh-heh. Gotta watch that Ego Censor 🙂 Look at this way then: if a Toaster-like device was created on an IBM clone box, and sold to Mac owners… don't you think the company would still cover up the clone label? Okay, I partially agree about the Commodore name; but I think virtually any label would've been covered… except perhaps if the external box was an SG Iris or something <grin>.
#11220From: David KieltykaAug 18, 1991 12:50 PM
Kev, Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I guess I'm still not quite used to the fact that _Somebody_ (NewTek) is actually attempting to sell Amigas to IBM & Mac owners. What an original idea! <g> From NewTek's perspective it's probably more important for them to get the NewTek (or Toaster) label on the machine than it is to cover up the Amiga one. Still, two birds with one stone, and all that…. 😉 -Dave-
#11210From: Mike SchillerAug 17, 1991 5:59 PM
David: And what if some Mac user who buys a 'Toaster Machine' finds out a few weeks (or months) after he/she gets the machine that it's a fairly nice machine for other stuff too, finds out it's an Amiga (not a hard thing to do), and joins in on the Amiga Forums, will you tell them that they should get a new label for their machine, and that as they bought a 'Toaster' rather than an 'Amiga' that they're not really welcome here? Personally If IBM decided that the Amiga would be a neat machine to market as their 68000 based machine (not very likely) and started selling Amiga's relabeled as the 'IBM System 68000' I wouldn't care, as these types of things would probably help the whole Amiga community, as ANYONE can market better than C=! -Mike Schiller In sunny Fort Lauderdale
#11219From: David KieltykaAug 18, 1991 12:41 PM
Mike, Well, as I said in the first place, it doesn't bother me a bit that NewTek is putting "Toaster" labels on the Amiga/Toasters they're selling. Kev and I were just hashing out their reason(s) for doing so. It doesn't matter to me what label people have on their machines; I know what's inside. Besides, _everyone_ is welcome here regardless of what computer(s) he or she may own. I regularly pop in on a number of IBM/Clone forums, just to see what's going on there. I don't hide the fact that I own an Amiga…of course, I don't brag about it either…wouldn't get me very far over there anyway. 8^) Sometimes I get so angry at C= that I wish somebody _would_ buy out the Amiga division and do something creative with it. They could call the Amiga ANYTHING they liked as long as they at least attempted to market it properly. <sigh> -Dave-
#11223From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPAug 18, 1991 1:09 PM
I don't think that has anything to do with it. NewTek is OEM-ing the Amiga, sticking it's own label on it, putting a Toaster in it, and selling it for some big bucks (well, big bucks compared to what it would cost if you did it all yourself). I don't blame them either….those "Toastersare selling like hotcakes, and they're making a mint. Steve
#11263From: Rick CrossAug 20, 1991 3:11 AM
SP>> "Toasters are selling like hotcakes, and they're making a mint. hehe, you should have been at SIGgraph here in Las Vegas, the Newtek booth was fairly close to the Wavefront booth. The Wave folks had a GREAT demo… popped together a quick animation and was showing it 5 minutes after starting… looked fantastic! Then the guy says "and now we'll take it out of PREVIEW mode and render the animation"! A few minutes later, it was done and looked even better. But Newtek was showing off their OEM Amiga/Toaster combo, with Lightwave that does true Ray Tracing rather than Phong Shading (like the one you get buying just the toaster). Took longer to render, but looked just as good. And even with their OEM markup, at a mere fraction of the cost of the Wavefront machine.