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#Commodore Responds

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#63661From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiJul 24, 1992 9:37 PM
totally wrong and misguided depiction of the Amiga. And, NewTek's Video Toaster is dependent on the Amiga's custom chip technology. * The Amiga offers the best "price/performance" for multimedia computing solutions available today. In addition, the Amiga provides "traditional" office computing applications and a wide variety of entertainment packages. The Amiga also provides options to read and write MS-DOS and MacIntosh files. * This is the most exciting time in the history of Commodore and Amiga computing. The company's visibility in the microcomputer industry should increase significantly during the next year as new programs, products, strategies and applications mature. Final Thoughts We are taking specific steps to not only regarding this incident but also to ensure that we regain more leverage and positive coverage in the general media and reporting environment going forward. To that end, we're planning some specific press events at both World of Commodore and Fall Comdex. We've also begun an intensive telephone contact campaign to strengthen our ongoing relationships with hundreds of editors, reporters, and freelancers who write about Commodore and the Amiga. We are committed to increasing the flow of accurate information to these important and influential media audiences. In the meantime, please help us with the impressions precipitated by the Robinson article; follow through on the recommendations we've made in this correspondence. Please consider faxing Mandi Griffies, in our corporate communications department, copies of any correspondence you generate on behalf of this effort and report subsequent media feedback and results directly to her. Her fax number is (215) 431-9465. Thank you for your concern and partnership. P.S. "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." — Mark Twain, 1897
#63670From: Paul WrightJul 24, 1992 11:27 PM
Shucks, if all you say is true, then this guy deserves a medal, nay, a cash award from every AMIGA owner. Cause CBM has yet to do diddly for AMIGA in the Washington DC market which is the hottest PC market in the states. Every Monday the Post business section is filled with computer related stuff and CBM doesn't even make rumors. So fess up, all this stuff is republican smoke and mirrors until CBM delivers. =====Paul=====
#63717From: Antonio RosarioJul 25, 1992 3:04 PM
Denny, It just takes one negative article like this one to stir up C= into action, or have they been planning this all along? Perhaps, unknowingly, this reporter has done more good for us Amiga owners than he thought. Anyway, I'd like to send this guy my feelings but I haven't read the article, so I feel I cannot properly respond. Is there anyway to get a copy of this? ====> Tony <==== – via Whap!
#63776From: Nick MurrayJul 26, 1992 1:15 AM
Commodore can go write their own damn letter. So it finally takes a letter like this to wake Commodore up huh? I believed them a few years back when they said how they were going to build the Amiga market, but they failed miserably, I am not holding my breath with their promises now. Commodore deserved that letter from Robinson. They say it's an exciting time for the Amiga? Yeah right… This is the most depressed I have ever been about the Amiga. Wake up Commodore!! Nick p.s. thanks for posting the CBM letter Denny.
#63790From: Kevin DarlingJul 26, 1992 4:36 AM
Yes, it's shameful enough that people get physical threats from the more fanatical fringe (I've seen this happen a lot on BBSs as well), but it's really deeply ironic that Commodore would urge people to flood Robinson with letters when CBM itself carefully avoids angry stockholders and owners. OTOH, it would be great if they carry through with their promises in their response letter… instead of trying to direct owner anger to someone else.
#63820From: Matthew J. W. RatcliffJul 26, 1992 3:24 PM
I tried to avoid entering this thread… but I lost resolve. I think this article could have been written anytime in the past five years, and it would have met the same response, and had the same degree of accuracy. The Amiga just won't die… whether CBM markets it or not.. whether it overwhelms lame macs and PCs to become the consumer computer of the 90's, or just becomes a sort of niche/ VAR machine in selected vertical markets like kiosks, video applications, and multimedia delevery ala CDTV… most likely, it will remain somewhere in between. Of course talking about it being technologically outdated is absurd. That really means that the 5 year tech lead the amiga had in graphics ability vs cost, and in preemptive multitasking GUIed OS is now only about 2 years… try working with macs and PCs and you'll see.
#63841From: Jim VentolaJul 26, 1992 10:52 PM
I agree, having had the misfortune of having to use a friend's mac for a week while house-sitting. Ugh.
#63957From: Brian BartlettJul 28, 1992 4:40 AM
Arnie, I'd have to agree with you. CBM has been trying to kill the C-64 for years now, and last time I looked (last Saturday), the beast is still selling well at Toys-R-Us. Talk about ancient technology! It does it's job quite well and at a fairly nice price. Half the military seems to own the things! As for the Amiga community itself, most of the people I've met have always been 'technologically obsessed' (or gadget freaks ;-). My first computer was a TRaSh-80 model I with a whopping 16K and a tape drive. 2 Vic-20's and 2 C-64's later, I bought an A-1000 on the stregnth of the review in Byte. This machine, although lacking any real software beyond TextCraft, GraphiCraft, and a brain-dead compiler, actually multi-tasked. This was something that I could only get on the mainframe on my ship, at the time. I have since bought an A-2000 for myself and an A-500 for my mother. When my sister moves back in, I fully expect to be down at the computer store buying another A500 or A600 (or whatever). We all have worked on other machines, in my case both 'Clones' and Mac's, and I always experience frustration at the little things, like freezes without the guru message. So, whether C= markets the beast, or not, we'll do our part to market it for them, as I expect the rest of the 'gadget freaks' will do. Even after 7 years, my trusty A-1000 <patting Lyza>, while not having Super-Whatever graphics, blows the socks off of the Mac at school since I can at least format a disk and compute at the same time. Just my 2-cents. Brian Bartlett
#63840From: Jim VentolaJul 26, 1992 10:51 PM
I think the "threats" came from my dealer! He told me that when Robinson returned his call he told him in a very calm voice that if he were in the same room he was so angry he would probably want to do him in. He in no way meant it as a threat, but Robinson told the NEXT caller that he had been threatened. I don't think it was a very wise rhetorical ploy on the dealer's part; but Robinson may have over-reacted in his report of threats just as he did in the article itself. BTW—does anyone know what the agreement with Digitial mentioned in Amazing Computing and confirmed in C='s reply is all about? Any details?
#63909From: BYRT MARTINEZJul 27, 1992 10:34 PM
I hope it doesn't have anything to do with Digital's 2.8 billion dollar loss they just posted! – Byrt Martinez
#63914From: John GagerJul 27, 1992 10:48 PM
Maybe Digital is trying anything to stay alive. I just read in the paper the other day that DEC just took a 1.3 BILLION dollar loss, but I'm not sure if that was for the year or what. I didn't read the article that carefully, but it didn't sound like they were doing very well. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#64059From: Jim VentolaJul 29, 1992 4:03 PM
That loss was mainly from having to pay severance for all the folks they let go. The did have a 1% drop in sales, though. Not good but don't count them out yet—especially with the new ALPHA chips, whatever they are.
#64065From: Charles HillJul 29, 1992 5:39 PM
If could be worse, we could be Atari. The August 3, 1992 issue of Forbe magazine (Forbe_s_) has an article that *slams* Atari but good. It seems their fabled European sales have dropped from over $329 million in 1990 to just over $200 million in 1991…while they've instituted a revolving door policy in Sunnyvale that make Commodore look stable! (27 executives in the last 30 months) A net loss of $14 million on $44 million in sales for 1Q92 and a second quarter that is rumored to be much worse. At least Commodore is showing a profit. -Chas AM-Report
#64121From: Jonathan HirschmanJul 30, 1992 9:15 AM
Jim, The Alpha chips threaten to change computing as we know it…check out the latest Byte to see why the Alpha chip is so awesome. To start you off, it is designed to run at *200Mhz*, and pop out 200 MIPS. This chip should be driving a personal computer (or personal workstation) retailing for less than $10,000 in '93, and running Windows NT. Could be what we've been waiting for in Amigaland…:) Jonathan
#63945From: Kevin DarlingJul 28, 1992 12:50 AM
Someone on usenet said that Digital was taking Amiga/Toaster combos and packaging them as a DEC "workstation" for companies wishing to make in-house training tapes and so forth. No mention of price.
#63904From: Steve Jackson GamesJul 27, 1992 9:45 PM
Nick: I have to agree with you. I just laughed when I read C='s response. They're revitalizing the market, huh? And one day all god's chilluns will wear shoes, too. Me, I'm looking at a Quadra 950. Loyd
#63974From: Jonathan BlackwellJul 28, 1992 10:46 AM
Looking at a Quadra? Why don't you look at the Emplant which will have Qudra emulation in the near future? -Jonathan
#63977From: Steve Jackson GamesJul 28, 1992 11:11 AM
I'm not familiar with the Emplant. Can you point me toward more info? Loyd
#64033From: Jonathan BlackwellJul 29, 1992 1:18 AM
The EMPLANT is a board that lets your A2000 or A3000 (I'm not sure about other models) to emulate the MAC IIx. Other platforms are supposed to be emulated in the futuer (MAC Quadra, Atari Mega ST, 386/486, etc.) The IIx emulation will multitask with AmigaDOS and runs with 16 colors (more with 3rd party hardware (HAM-E, DMI, IV-24, etc.) As far as I know, it hasn't shipped yet but should any time now. There was a mention of it in Amazing. The board emulates at the hardware level, so it should run as fast as a regular IIx (with approiate CPU – '030) Other than that, it is just like the AMAX II + except that it will multitask and has color… You should call Utilities Unlimited for more info. They make the thing… They usually advertise in AC. -Jonathan
#64067From: Rodger PadgettJul 29, 1992 6:29 PM
Just to stick my two bits in here. I'm looking at the Quadra 970 and any 486/50 clone. Doesn't mean I'll get either. I'm loyal to a fault and will stick with Amiga until it ain't no more. (Hopefully a long time from now!) Rodger