#Photo CD
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Thnaks for the news … I thought the original date wat August 10. Who said
it was going to slip? What exactly is in the developers kit and how much
is it?. I got the information you mentioned about a week ago too. If you
check the newstands in your area you will also find a nice article in one
of the photography magazines. There is a photo CD disk on the cover (I
picked up my copy at B. Dalton). Let's keep in touch. What business are you
in?
Thanks – Mark
Mark,
The original date was 2nd quarter 1992. I spoke to the techie at Kodak
Friday–he was the one that said it was slipping.
To quote from "Together we could make beautiful software.", Kodak's
brochure on their toolkit…
"When you order your Kodak Photo CD Access developer toolkit, you'll
receive a library of C-language functions that 1) read images from the CD
into memory, 2) expand the compressed image files, 3) convert them into
standard formats, and 4) provide basic image-manipulation capabilities.
"You'll also receive full documentation and a sample Photo CD disk
containing professional images, plus a license to use the Photo CD images
in your applications.
"The cost? Only $695(US), checks and major credit cards accepted.
"Call 1 (800) 242-2424 ext 53 today."
If you are a member of Kodak's Developer Program you can get a 10% discount
(I think it's still available). I will find out about this program on
Monday.
I purchased Micrographic's PICTURE PUBLISHER yesterday and have been
playing with my PHOTO-CD all day. Works well! There are five different
resolutions of each photo. First as a thumbnail to be used as an index
(128×192). Two through four work well (256×384, 512×768 and 1024×1536).
The fifth, 2048×3072 took 3 1/2 hours (!) to paint on my 486/33 with 16MB
ram.
My company, Made in USA is a software developer since late 70's. We do
vertical applications. I plan, by the way, to release source code to some
of these programs on CD-ROM. I am very interested in getting into CD-ROM
business. Reason I am hot on PHOTO-CD is that I have 30+ years of high
quality 35mm photos taken all over the world. Want to publish those also.
What business are you in?
Regards
Jan
I am a consultant in Southern California … specializing mostly in
database applications and also Multimedia on the PC.
The package you purchased … how much was it? What kind of monitor do you
have?
Have you tried selecting a portion of the picture and zooming on it … and
if you have do you lose much resolution or get blurry?
What kind of photos do you have and what do you plan to sell your CDROM
for … and how many images/resolutions?
Every done anything with Fractal Image Compression … or heard of it?
Thanks – Mark
Mark,
Your consulting business sounds interesting, Multimedia has great
potential.
The package was purchased at $243.76 from ComputerCITY (the new Tandy
super-store in Dallas). CompUSA's price was $319. The actual retail is
$495! You can also use Adobe's "PhotoShop" for the Mac ($675 from
Programmer's Paradise). "Imagen" is $229 at CompUSA. "Corel Draw 3.0" is
$399.99 on CD.
Of course I blew up photographs to incredible size just to see what
happens. At 2400% you start to see the grain a little. That enlargement
takes approximately 1/4 inch square and blows it up to about 8"x10" which
is far larger than you would normally want to do. I took a photograph of
myself with face being less than 1/8"x1/8" and blew that up to cover my
screen (it is now wall-paper on Windows–it keeps the damned cat off the
keyboard). Kodak insists that it maintains all the detail of the negative.
At the Kodak lab I saw an eyeball of a beautiful lady from a group photo
blown up to fill a 27" screen. It is grainy because I saved it as a .BMP
for only 100 lines of resolution to keep the BMP small enough to be used
for wall-paper. You can actually take it up to 2000+ lines but then you get
an 18MB file.
I am not trying to publish my puss but if you like, I will modem that BMP
to you so you can see it. I have a US Robotics 14.4 V.32/42bis with
HyperACCESS software. If you have the same, I could modem it to you in
about 1 minute (slightly less than 1 MB).
The photos cover the Far East (where I lived for 30+ years), plus the rest
of the world where I traveled too frequently. Rough idea on CD-ROM is
probably 100 images in the same five resolutions that KODAK offers. Will
probably include some sound tracks as well. Idea is to go for $50-$60
retail, distributor's price around $20-$25. There will be no royalty on
photo or sound. Hope to begin releasing them within 45 days and plan to do
one every two weeks if they sell.
Jan
Mark (Continued)
I just spoke with Kodak. They are sending me info on the Silver and Gold
developer programs ($400 – $700). Will advise when I see what is in them.
They said that my negatives must be very grainy. They are correct, the
film I used was high speed and it had cooked in the sun for a few days
also. I am taking some good fine grain film in for CD-ROM production
tomorrow – will let you know how that works out.
Yes, I've palyed around with fractals and compression. This is a red hot
market also because of the interest in bringing 30 fps video to desk top
systems. I heard there is a company on the East Coast that uses fractals
in video and that they are achieving incredible compression ratios. Can't
remember where I heard it.
More on our CD-ROM photo project. The intent is that it would be used to
produce presentations and educational material. I have some musician
friends and we are coming up with some neat "co-ordinated" sound tracks
that will provide an effect similar to sound tracks in movies. Will
probably use Toolbook's new stuff for synchronization.
What kind of customers do you service? Any interest in our vertical
applications? Have JIT/MRP (manufacturing), banking (written for Chase
Manhattan & BofA), Human Resource Management (for Lockheed), Traffic,
Billing and Scheduling (For Storer Cable TV), and others.
Another neat point on the Kodak Photo-CD, they provide a "thumbnail"
directory in the jewel-case. This is small 3/4"x5/8" images of the photos.
They have been printed with a hi-res color "transfer" printer and they
look like photographs!
Regards
Jan
Thanks for all the information.
I have a plain old 2400 BPS modem so I'm afraid It would take to long for
me to get your picture … wish I had a 14.4 modem! Perhaps you could
create a sample file at 2400% blowup of one of your fine grain pictures.
I'd like to see the original and then a section of it blown up. BMP files
would be OK. I have just a plain VGA 640 by 480 monitor
with 256 colors.
I'm working with a small retail store that services all kinds of business
needs … so in that sense I'm interested in what you have. Anything for
law enforcement or insurance … and anything with pictures.
Microsoft just announced a CDROM called Cinemania which is due in September
and is a multimedia database of movie still images and sound tracks.
I'm checking with a friend to see if he can find out more about when that
Windows version will ship from Boston. I'll let you know what I find out.
Keep me on any mailing list you have for future CDROMS
Mark Will
16309 Silvergrove Drive
Whittier CA 90604
Thanks again for all your information … you are further along than I am.
Mark,
Prices on PHOTO CD:
Per Image
———
10 – 24 $ 1.79
25 – 49 $ 1.69
50 – 74 $ 1.59
75 more $ 1.49
Minimum Order (10) $17.90
Image Source Charge $ 2.00
Append to Existing Disk $ 2.00
Disk Mastering
Per Disk Duplication $99.99 Max
I am taking 100+ photos to be transfered today. Will let you know how they
turn out if you are interested.
Rgds
Jan
Yes, Let me know .. can you Modem me a VGA version of a photo and a 2400%
enlargement of a portion thereof? It might be good to have examples of
this on the CDROM forum in Compuserve … it might even help your business.
-Mark
MArk:
re: your question on fractal imaging: There is a company called Iterated
Systems, and I believe they are in the Atlanta area (the principles are
from Georgia Tech). Let me know if you can't find them and I'll dig out a
phone number.
– Rich Bowers
Optical Publishing Association
Thanks, I was aware of who they are … but have not seen anybody that is
selling anything yet that applies this technology … do you know of any?