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#Photo CD

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#25658From: Mark P WillAug 22, 1992 10:27 PM
Thnaks for the news … I thought the original date wat August 10. Who said it was going to slip? What exactly is in the developers kit and how much is it?. I got the information you mentioned about a week ago too. If you check the newstands in your area you will also find a nice article in one of the photography magazines. There is a photo CD disk on the cover (I picked up my copy at B. Dalton). Let's keep in touch. What business are you in? Thanks – Mark
#25708From: JAN SCHWENKAug 23, 1992 5:12 PM
Mark, The original date was 2nd quarter 1992. I spoke to the techie at Kodak Friday–he was the one that said it was slipping. To quote from "Together we could make beautiful software.", Kodak's brochure on their toolkit… "When you order your Kodak Photo CD Access developer toolkit, you'll receive a library of C-language functions that 1) read images from the CD into memory, 2) expand the compressed image files, 3) convert them into standard formats, and 4) provide basic image-manipulation capabilities. "You'll also receive full documentation and a sample Photo CD disk containing professional images, plus a license to use the Photo CD images in your applications. "The cost? Only $695(US), checks and major credit cards accepted. "Call 1 (800) 242-2424 ext 53 today." If you are a member of Kodak's Developer Program you can get a 10% discount (I think it's still available). I will find out about this program on Monday. I purchased Micrographic's PICTURE PUBLISHER yesterday and have been playing with my PHOTO-CD all day. Works well! There are five different resolutions of each photo. First as a thumbnail to be used as an index (128×192). Two through four work well (256×384, 512×768 and 1024×1536). The fifth, 2048×3072 took 3 1/2 hours (!) to paint on my 486/33 with 16MB ram. My company, Made in USA is a software developer since late 70's. We do vertical applications. I plan, by the way, to release source code to some of these programs on CD-ROM. I am very interested in getting into CD-ROM business. Reason I am hot on PHOTO-CD is that I have 30+ years of high quality 35mm photos taken all over the world. Want to publish those also. What business are you in? Regards Jan
#25719From: Mark P WillAug 23, 1992 11:39 PM
I am a consultant in Southern California … specializing mostly in database applications and also Multimedia on the PC. The package you purchased … how much was it? What kind of monitor do you have? Have you tried selecting a portion of the picture and zooming on it … and if you have do you lose much resolution or get blurry? What kind of photos do you have and what do you plan to sell your CDROM for … and how many images/resolutions? Every done anything with Fractal Image Compression … or heard of it? Thanks – Mark
#25747From: JAN SCHWENKAug 24, 1992 11:58 AM
Mark, Your consulting business sounds interesting, Multimedia has great potential. The package was purchased at $243.76 from ComputerCITY (the new Tandy super-store in Dallas). CompUSA's price was $319. The actual retail is $495! You can also use Adobe's "PhotoShop" for the Mac ($675 from Programmer's Paradise). "Imagen" is $229 at CompUSA. "Corel Draw 3.0" is $399.99 on CD. Of course I blew up photographs to incredible size just to see what happens. At 2400% you start to see the grain a little. That enlargement takes approximately 1/4 inch square and blows it up to about 8"x10" which is far larger than you would normally want to do. I took a photograph of myself with face being less than 1/8"x1/8" and blew that up to cover my screen (it is now wall-paper on Windows–it keeps the damned cat off the keyboard). Kodak insists that it maintains all the detail of the negative. At the Kodak lab I saw an eyeball of a beautiful lady from a group photo blown up to fill a 27" screen. It is grainy because I saved it as a .BMP for only 100 lines of resolution to keep the BMP small enough to be used for wall-paper. You can actually take it up to 2000+ lines but then you get an 18MB file. I am not trying to publish my puss but if you like, I will modem that BMP to you so you can see it. I have a US Robotics 14.4 V.32/42bis with HyperACCESS software. If you have the same, I could modem it to you in about 1 minute (slightly less than 1 MB). The photos cover the Far East (where I lived for 30+ years), plus the rest of the world where I traveled too frequently. Rough idea on CD-ROM is probably 100 images in the same five resolutions that KODAK offers. Will probably include some sound tracks as well. Idea is to go for $50-$60 retail, distributor's price around $20-$25. There will be no royalty on photo or sound. Hope to begin releasing them within 45 days and plan to do one every two weeks if they sell. Jan
#25748From: JAN SCHWENKAug 24, 1992 11:58 AM
Mark (Continued) I just spoke with Kodak. They are sending me info on the Silver and Gold developer programs ($400 – $700). Will advise when I see what is in them. They said that my negatives must be very grainy. They are correct, the film I used was high speed and it had cooked in the sun for a few days also. I am taking some good fine grain film in for CD-ROM production tomorrow – will let you know how that works out. Yes, I've palyed around with fractals and compression. This is a red hot market also because of the interest in bringing 30 fps video to desk top systems. I heard there is a company on the East Coast that uses fractals in video and that they are achieving incredible compression ratios. Can't remember where I heard it. More on our CD-ROM photo project. The intent is that it would be used to produce presentations and educational material. I have some musician friends and we are coming up with some neat "co-ordinated" sound tracks that will provide an effect similar to sound tracks in movies. Will probably use Toolbook's new stuff for synchronization. What kind of customers do you service? Any interest in our vertical applications? Have JIT/MRP (manufacturing), banking (written for Chase Manhattan & BofA), Human Resource Management (for Lockheed), Traffic, Billing and Scheduling (For Storer Cable TV), and others. Another neat point on the Kodak Photo-CD, they provide a "thumbnail" directory in the jewel-case. This is small 3/4"x5/8" images of the photos. They have been printed with a hi-res color "transfer" printer and they look like photographs! Regards Jan
#25754From: Mark P WillAug 24, 1992 2:12 PM
Thanks for all the information. I have a plain old 2400 BPS modem so I'm afraid It would take to long for me to get your picture … wish I had a 14.4 modem! Perhaps you could create a sample file at 2400% blowup of one of your fine grain pictures. I'd like to see the original and then a section of it blown up. BMP files would be OK. I have just a plain VGA 640 by 480 monitor with 256 colors. I'm working with a small retail store that services all kinds of business needs … so in that sense I'm interested in what you have. Anything for law enforcement or insurance … and anything with pictures. Microsoft just announced a CDROM called Cinemania which is due in September and is a multimedia database of movie still images and sound tracks. I'm checking with a friend to see if he can find out more about when that Windows version will ship from Boston. I'll let you know what I find out. Keep me on any mailing list you have for future CDROMS Mark Will 16309 Silvergrove Drive Whittier CA 90604 Thanks again for all your information … you are further along than I am.
#25753From: JAN SCHWENKAug 24, 1992 2:07 PM
Mark, Prices on PHOTO CD: Per Image ——— 10 – 24 $ 1.79 25 – 49 $ 1.69 50 – 74 $ 1.59 75 more $ 1.49 Minimum Order (10) $17.90 Image Source Charge $ 2.00 Append to Existing Disk $ 2.00 Disk Mastering Per Disk Duplication $99.99 Max I am taking 100+ photos to be transfered today. Will let you know how they turn out if you are interested. Rgds Jan
#25771From: Mark P WillAug 24, 1992 5:30 PM
Yes, Let me know .. can you Modem me a VGA version of a photo and a 2400% enlargement of a portion thereof? It might be good to have examples of this on the CDROM forum in Compuserve … it might even help your business. -Mark
#25777From: Rich Bowers/OPAAug 24, 1992 8:13 PM
MArk: re: your question on fractal imaging: There is a company called Iterated Systems, and I believe they are in the Atlanta area (the principles are from Georgia Tech). Let me know if you can't find them and I'll dig out a phone number. – Rich Bowers Optical Publishing Association
#25782From: Mark P WillAug 24, 1992 9:27 PM
Thanks, I was aware of who they are … but have not seen anybody that is selling anything yet that applies this technology … do you know of any?