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#Sanyo GVRS-950 ?

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#52706From: VERNON P. SHURTZAug 9, 1993 3:10 PM
Is the GVRS-950 going to support 3d studio rel 2 or 3? If it does would this be a good controller\vtr for a hobbist and what else would be needed to support frame accurate recording. V.P. Shurtz
#52752From: Yost GroupAug 9, 1993 7:45 PM
The rumour at Siggraph was that Sanyo is going to ship a VTPADI driver for 3DS with the 950, but you'll have to ask them directly for the facts. (I have nothing to do with hardware, ya know.) – G
#52760From: VERNON P. SHURTZAug 9, 1993 9:44 PM
Thanks for the info vps
#52791From: Angelo Guarino [DTI Inc]Aug 9, 1993 11:11 PM
Vernon, Doesn't look like they'll be shipping the decks until late October. Ang
#52904From: VERNON P. SHURTZAug 10, 1993 4:01 PM
Angelo Do you know if the quality of the unit is good or would I be wasting my money. VPS
#52968From: Angelo Guarino [DTI Inc]Aug 10, 1993 9:20 PM
Vernon, >> is quality good? I have no idea … I havn't seen the unit yet. I think Greg Pyros or Kevin Krell said they saw it at SIGGRAPH … but I don't think anyones put it on a scope or did any testing yet. The big clammer is for someone to stack it up against the "workhorse" AG7750. I just called the Sanyo rep. firm in the area to try to get some info and they won't get their units until October. Ang
#53070From: Evan Yares [WeirdTM]Aug 11, 1993 1:49 PM
Ang: Sanyo knows that their main competitor will be the AG-7750, and they assure me that they are up to the task. We'll see. Evan
#53093From: Paul LindAug 11, 1993 4:08 PM
Evan, PMJI, but after spending a good deal of time at the Sanyo booth, their deck didn't seem like anything to write home about. It seemed to have alot of dropout problems, uses strictly LTC time code , and it's internals (transports heads, capstans etc.) look like they're lighter weight than standard $200 consumer decks. The deck is tiny, and although they declined to let us run tests on the machine, I have VERY serious doubts that the deck will hold up very well under the strain of frame accurate work. The 7750 is a workhorse and holds up extremely well to rough environments. I think that Sanyo will no doubt sell a bundle of these units because the company and dealers will bill it as "The" low cost solution, but as I told them at the show, the unit looks like the average animation company would run it into the ground in less than 60 days. It should also be mentioned that the deck allows very little if any control over signals, in fact it limits the user to two plastic slide knobs that adjust color level and tint. The unit is IMHO definately prosumer level, and besides the fact that it uses SVHS cassettes, didn't appear to be tagged as an "industrial level" deck. Problems I see with such a lightweight frame accurate deck will probably include, jitter from small non-stable transports skew/color blurring/ and fogging due to small ferrite heads. The reps at the booth didn't really have any insight into the machanics of the deck other than it is "the" best SVHS deck. Just thought I'd say something since, it seems that dealers are already selling this unit as a 7750 replacement. There is simply no way on earth that this lightweight foldup box is in the same ballpark of the 7750. For the user who just wants to be able to do frame accurate work out of his garage, this may be the unit. But for companies who are rigorously doing frame accurate work, they may well be much better off with a higher level, [>> Continued in next msg]
#53094From: Paul LindAug 11, 1993 4:08 PM
[>> Continued from previous msg] more rugged deck, ala the 7750. Thanks, Paul .
#53105From: VERNON P. SHURTZAug 11, 1993 5:48 PM
Who makes the AG-7750 and how much does it cost? VPS P.S. Thanks for the excellent support.
#53130From: Angelo Guarino [DTI Inc]Aug 11, 1993 8:39 PM
Paul, Thanks for that input! .. Ang
#53137From: Paul LindAug 11, 1993 10:38 PM
Angelo, Glad to add a little input. I hope it didn't sound like I was bashing the unit. I think it'll be useful to some people. I just had the opportunity to check the unit out fairly well, and it's definately not in the 7750 realm. IMHO. I have a couple of their slicks if anyone would like a fax copy. Paul
#53151From: alec jasonAug 12, 1993 12:17 AM
Paul, It is good to hear your opinion of the Sanyo deck. They told me that their deck did not need to pre-roll while single-framing. Is this true? Alec Jason
#53212From: Paul LindAug 12, 1993 12:30 PM
Alec, I did hear that said somewhere. If they're actually saying that, I'll have to get one just to tear it apart and watch it work. Can you imagine a tape moving one frame at a time for extended periods? Seems that they must be selling stretch proof cassettes for use with this unit. I wonder how they verify the time code over long hauls? I'm interested enough in the unit to get one and run it through the paces, but I really don't want to throw away a couple of grand on a unit that will fall apart in a day or two. I asked the reps if they'd guarantee satisfaction with the unit for around 60 days and they declined. Oh well. Maybe one of the dealers will get one to test, and run heavy tests and specs on the unit. Paul .
#53176From: Ana Francisca GervasAug 12, 1993 6:51 AM
Paul, >>I hope it didn't sound like I was bashing the unit. No, not really. BTW, hey all! how many of you have plans to buy one of these things after reading Paul's report? <G> Just kidding, Paul. Thanks for the report! 🙂 Ana
#53213From: Paul LindAug 12, 1993 12:30 PM
Ana, In looking over the spec sheets for this unit, it states "operations involving computer control cannot be conducted unless a no charge operational unit is installed." Now if this is the "ultimate SVHS deck for frame accurate computer animation" and it was specifically designed for computer controlled frame accurate work, why do you have to install an optional computer control unit? And if they're giving the control unit away free, why not just build it into the unit? Sorta like buying a car, and then the dealer saying that the car won't function without the wheels. "we'll give you the wheels, but you'll have to install them in order to drive home". BIZARRE. The whole thing reminds me of Radio Shack! Paul .
#53283From: John TissavaryAug 12, 1993 11:24 PM
Hi Paul. I saw the deck at the show, too, but was unable to draw any conclusions about it. The Northern California Sanyo rep called me this morning and told me he'd get the first units to dealers in early September. I also mentioned I'd need a test period, satisfaction guaranteed, and he didn't balk… yet. I'll try and get my hands on one to play with, unless someone out there sells me a used 3/4 SP or hi-8 deck first. Hope things are well with you… John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
#53293From: Paul LindAug 12, 1993 11:54 PM
John, That sounds great! I'm interested in how the deck performs. So keep me informed. Paul
#53125From: Angelo Guarino [DTI Inc]Aug 11, 1993 8:25 PM
>> Sanyo up to the task Evan, Great! … been a while since I've seen a good fight <g> Ang
#53420From: Evan Yares [WeirdTM]Aug 14, 1993 3:03 AM
Judging by Paul's comments (he spent a lot more time looking than I did), it will be interesting to see if the deck holds up. Evan