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AmigaWorld Errors

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#109915From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsAug 9, 1993 3:33 PM
MICROBOTICS THE VICTIM OF FAULTY REPORTING IN AMIGAWORLD In the recently published issue of AmigaWorld (September 1993) there is a "roundup" style article entitled "A1200 EXPANSION: CHOOSING THE RIGHT PATH". The article starts on page 21. On page 24 there is a boxed table giving the aggregate results of AIBB 5.5 benchmark testing on various A1200 expansion boards and accelerators. Unfortunately for MicroBotics, the results reported for its new M1230XA accelerator are seriously in error and make the MicroBotics product look like a poor performer in comparison to other '030 based accelerators. This is a direct result of not running the AIBB test using XA's 32-bit memory. The author claims the test would not run when XA's memory was configured, so he and AmigaWorld chose to report XA's results using only slow, PCMCIA-based ram. Neither the author nor AmigaWorld contacted MicroBotics before publishing this extremely damaging, misleading report. Since we actually *use* AIBB to test XA's before shipping and actually included AIBB 5.5 on the installation diskette we sent AmigaWorld, it is especially puzzling and disturbing that they failed to at least ask for some explanation from MicroBotics before damning us in print. We feel that AmigaWorld has caused us serious harm as a direct result of this weak reporting and editorial work. Moreover, they have greatly misled and misinformed their readers. This is an extremely unpleasant and regrettable incident. In investigating why the author couldn't run AIBB 5.5 on XA, we found that the M1230XA returned from AmigaWorld was returned *wrongly configured* for *eight megabytes* of memory installed when the unit had actually only 4 megabytes installed. Naturally, this would cause almost any program that used FastRAM to crash. When the board was originally sent to AmigaWorld, it was *correctly* configured to 4 megabytes (indeed the last step before shipping was to run AIBB 5.5 on the board). So it left Texas correctly set up and came back wrongly configured. We can only conclude that the author (or someone at AmigaWorld) made improper use of XA's setup software to tell the system it had more memory than it actually did and thus caused the failure himself. Further supporting this surmise is the statement in the article that "each system was configured with…8MB of 32-bit RAM on board." We are demanding that AmigaWorld publish a full and prominent apology and full correction to their mistake in the next available issue. Unfortunately, no correction can really undo all the damage AmigaWorld has done to MicroBotics and the XA already. Nevertheless, we publicly call for maximum redress to the wrong inflicted upon us. In the table below, we show the aggregate AIBB numbers as reported by AmigaWorld compared to the *real* results that are obtained when running a properly configured M1230 XA. The third column is the percentage of error introduced by AmigaWorld's misreporting. As one can see by the gross average accuracy summary of only 42 percent, the reader would have been better off flipping a coin than relying upon the numbers in AmigaWorld. We plead for the understanding of prospective XA customers with regard to this unfortunate situation. Accurate AIBB load modules and benchmark information for the M1230 XA are available on the CompuServe and BIX networks as well as directly from MicroBotics. AMIGAWORLD ACCURACY RATING CONCERNING THEIR SEPTEMBER 93 "REPORT" ON MICROBOTICS M1230 XA ACCELERATOR AIBB 5.5 INTEGER RATING AmigaWorld Accurate PERCENTAGE ACCURACY Erroneous Test of AmigaWorld Report Report Report A500 3.93 12.04 32.64% A2000 3.83 11.73 32.65% A3000 0.63 1.94 32.47% A4000 0.31 0.96 32.29% AIBB 5.5 GRAPHICS RATING AmigaWorld Accurate Erroneous Test Report Report A500 4.54 5.76 78.82% A2000 3.37 4.27 78.92% A3000 1.91 2.42 78.93% A4000 0.82 1.04 78.85% AIBB 5.5 FLOATING POINT RATING AmigaWorld Accurate Erroneous Test Report Report A500 4.52 27.34 16.53% A2000 3.05 18.46 16.52% A3000 0.32 1.94 16.49% A4000 0.11 0.65 16.92% AGGREGATE PERCENTAGE ACCURACY OF AMIGAWORLD 42.67%
#109958From: SyndesisAug 9, 1993 11:30 PM
Youch. We were similarly slimed in the most recent issue of Amazing Computing; the cover claims a head-to-head comparison of Pixel vs InterChange, the author did a very lousy job all over.
#109981From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsAug 10, 1993 2:34 AM
My sympathies, John. AmigaWorld has no excuse for mismanaging this awful job. They could have at the very least *called* us for five minutes and cleared up their confusion. I mean, didn't the fact that we include the very benchmark program they say they couldn't run, on the actual installation diskette give them some sort of *clue* that they might possibly have made a mistake? And of course, we'll never completely get free of the stain they've brushed us with. –Redmond
#109995From: SyndesisAug 10, 1993 8:30 AM
It's only been a year since we sent Amazing their required two complimentary review copies. The writer who wrote this latest piece had sent us a form letter begging for software several months ago. I've despised this guy's writing for a long time, and so in an unusual lack of diplomacy, I wrote him a letter and told him what I thought, and that I thought it was rather rude to beg for software without an assignment. He wrote back apologetically, assured me he'd be more careful, and could he please get the add-on DXF and 3D Studio and Wavefront converters for InterChange, he'd mention them in the articles he writes, and he could really use them in his side-line video business… You know what happens, right? He writes a poor review: it's not that he said anything bad about ICP, it's just that he said nothing. No mention of those add-on converters, no complete description of what's actually in our product, but he did find the time to write at least a paragraph about what he likes about PAGErender, a 3D program that was last sold several years ago. He had our reviewer's guide, he knew the problems in Pixel 3D Pro, he said nothing about them. And to top it off, our reader service card responses from Amazing Computing had about three dozen duplicates within themselves, as if several batches of cards had been entered several times.
#110174From: Black Belt SystemsAug 12, 1993 3:27 AM
Not to defend AW's writers (as you probably remember, we were completely jammed up by more than one), but sometimes the type of things you mention are attributable to the editing process (no mention of particular converters). The editors of AW, as near as I have been able to tell, are completely out of touch with what is interesting and what is not. The editors of Amazing do a bit better, but they can't use english very well… :^) –Ben …via AutoPilot
#110194From: SyndesisAug 12, 1993 9:08 AM
I did suspect bad editing in the case of this Amazing 'review'. As well as a good dose of "what's not interesting was left in".
#109996From: SyndesisAug 10, 1993 8:38 AM
This is the flip side of AmigaWorld's reviewer policies. I do think it's a "good thing" that they don't have contact between reviewers and publishers. Without that, imagine what kind of spin-doctoring could take place, and then you'd be praying that you get the last chat with the reviewer, as opposed to your competitor. What it comes down to is the "lack of clues" in some reviewers. As a writer, I know I do a lot of self-evaluation long before I agree to write a certain review. Do I think I can write an accurate, even-handed review? Do I "know what I'm talking about?" Once into the review, you really need to double-check all your assumptions – both the positive and negative results. I often double-check my conclusions with other people that I think "know what they're talking about."
#110329From: gary ludwickAug 13, 1993 3:52 PM
John, As one who has done a good many reviews for AW, I can assure you that there are NO rules preventing reviewers from contacting publishers. When I have had problems with product, I always call the maker. I don't tell them I'm working on an AmigaWorld review – unless absolutely forced to do so (when they request serial numbers etc. the jig is pretty well up). It gives me a chance to see just what kind of support a buyer can expect, and that too rightfully becomes part of the fabric of the review. That said, I too am surprised that the author of the article didn't pursue his "problem" directly with the MB. Also surprised by Tim Walsh's conspicuous absence from this thread…saw some correspondence downstream just a while back. Finally, I don't know how Amazing works, but at AW there are only two ways I know of that products get reviewed: 1. I BUY the product and query AW if they have an interest in having it reviewed. 2. AW calls me because they have something to be reviewed that fits my interests, qualifications and equipment. Any publisher or manufacturer that sends free stuff directly to "freelance writers" frankly deserves what they get. You're absolutely right that the editor has to be responsible for the quality of what he or she prints…and the only way to do that is to deal only directly with them. Then, whomever they choose to write the review and the review itself is directly attributable to them!!! Gary on AutoPilot from Charlotte, NC
#110392From: SyndesisAug 14, 1993 9:58 AM
I urge you to call your editors at AmigaWorld and *ask* them about their review policy.
#110429From: Black Belt SystemsAug 14, 1993 11:38 PM
Gary, Amiga World constantly – and I mean _constantly_ – requests a copy here, and a copy there, of anything we make that interests them. They state it is for reviewers. I can verify that in at least two cases, these were indeed for reviewers. We've been screwed unbelievably by Amiga World's reviewers, or editors, or both – who really can tell? It does tend to make one aa bit skittish about handing over the product of years of work to some dimwit (and I'm being kind here) like the guy who reviewed our ClickFAX, or did that brain-dead comparison of AdPro and Imagemaster. Amiga World, unfortunately, has the credibility level of gnat around here. They're nice people, in many cases, but competant magazine people? No. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#109961From: Jonathan BlackwellAug 9, 1993 11:42 PM
Redmond- Too bad that these reports are not researched… Reflects on the lack of editorial accuracy. AW has had a history of driving product in the mud. The most memorable being the terrible review given for Black Belt System's ClickFax product. That review destroyed any chance for it to succeed. Have you gotten any response from AW yet? -Jonathan
#109983From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsAug 10, 1993 2:39 AM
I called them the moment I saw their in-print assassination of my product. They indulged in the usual non-committal hand-waving. The most galling thing is they can loose-cannon their way into the destruction of all sorts of products and there's no downside for them –only for their victims. They have exhibited an appalling degree of editorial irresponsibility. –Redmond
#110012From: Michael RyanAug 10, 1993 1:33 PM
Redmond, It disturbs me to think that your product could be thrashed in this fashion. It is part of my job here at Mag to make sure things like that DO NOT happen, so I took immediate notice of your situation. At the very least, AW should run a correction, if not an outright apology. I sincerely hope that this problem is resolved to your satisfaction. Curious, do you think that their "loose cannon" style is the result of a lack of competition (I mean, there's only a handful of US Amiga mags out there)? If we ever made a similar mistake (and I'm sure that its happened & will probably happen again), both our readers AND our comp would be all over us! –Michael Ryan, PC Magazine Staff Editor, Network Edition 1st Looks
#110026From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsAug 10, 1993 4:59 PM
I think AmigaWorld is out of control for the reason you mention (they have no real competition) and because they are understaffed and underfinanced due to the weak Amiga market. And they don't pay freelancers really well. And they don't have an in-house testing facility of any stature. Plus they just do not have a tradition of being rigorous and scientific in their approach to such testing and comparisons. The problem this makes for the manufacturer victimized by AmigaWorld's amateurism is that they STILL have a lot of credibility in the Amiga market in the USA. Users believe what they see in AmigaWorld regardless of how bone-headed ignorant or mistaken it might be. Thus we have been seriously damaged by their thoughtless, careless editorial practice. Given the "leaness" of the Amiga market these days, every sale counts. AmigaWorld, with a few strokes of a very silly pen, has cost MicroBotics a large number of sales. –Redmond
#110063From: Robert LittleAug 11, 1993 12:53 AM
Not just a reply to you Redmond but, to all… On this thread..bummer… But, there aren't many 'sources' for Amiga users out there and yes, there are errors, perhaps more under the circumstances but, my feeling they are there! If one believes everything he/she reads in print that's thier own fault! As for me I (usually) make sure I get it from a few sources. At least AW has told me it's out there. However, that still doesn't help out the people whose product has been unduely slammed, by those whose print will be taken for gospel (meaning 'THE WORD' not anything else) by the unwary! as others say 'just my two cents' But…Bummer if a product is killed before it's given a chance. Especially, in the Amiga Wolrd.
#110121From: Michael RyanAug 11, 1993 2:39 PM
Robert- Although I agree with your premise (>>If one believes everything he/she reads in print that's thier own fault! <<), any magazine has the responsibility to be as accurate and un-biased as humanly possible. AW, in this case, was apparently in error & needs to acknowledge that fact to preserve their credibility (which seems to be a bit lacking at the moment). For the sake of all AW readers, I hope they do & hope that they adjust their editorial style to improve the accuracy of their reporting. As we've already said a million times, there isn't a lot out there, I'd like to think that what little i'm reading is somewhat accurate! –Mike Ryan, PC Mag
#110166From: Robert LittleAug 12, 1993 1:40 AM
Mike, To my >>if anyone believes in print…<< and your >> any magazine has the responsibility…<< and >>there isn't a lot out there<< … yep, Yep, YEP. (Although the premise may be sound) -Robb
#110213From: Michael RyanAug 12, 1993 12:46 PM
Rob- Yeah, the premise is always valid, I guess. Seems a shame, however, that in this teeny market so many people find fault with the leading "authority" on Amiga news, etc., ya know? BTW, if the Amiga isn't your 'real' profession, are you a PC or Mac user elsewhere? Which do you prefer, overall? (honestly!) –Mike
#110127From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsAug 11, 1993 4:23 PM
Well, they haven't killed XA but they may easily cost us tens of thousands of dollars in US sales. About 100k folk read AmigaWorld. If 10,000 of them are A1200 owners or about to be owners, and only half of them believe the disinformation in AmigaWorld, that's 5000 potential customers deflected. Even if only 10 percent of those would have bought an XA otherwise, that's 500 XA's at some hundreds of dollars each. That's over 200,000 dollars in lost sales because AmigaWorld was too busy filling their chart with erroneous psuedofactoids to call us and clear up the problem *they* caused. –Redmond
#110093From: SyndesisAug 11, 1993 9:58 AM
They don't pay freelancers very well? Compared to which other Amiga publication? Since the beginning, AmigaWorld has paid the most, compared to any other Amiga publication. For that matter, I don't think their pay is different (for similar articles) than any other mid-range circulation PC/Mac magazine. Look on the bright side… I think AmigaWorld's existence has keep the Amiga alive. Without it, what would happen? And this reviewer will probably never get another hardware review assignment for a long time.
#110130From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsAug 11, 1993 4:25 PM
The sad part is indeed AmigaWorld is *the* lifeline in the USA for Amiga business– that's precisely why it hurts so much that they thoughtlessly smeared our product without checking their facts. –Redmond
#110162From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 12, 1993 12:42 AM
Redmond, I understand your feelings about the review and the damage to your product's reputation, and I'm really sorry it happened. However, I must defend AmigaWorld's treatment of authors and reviewers. The first article I ever sold was to AmigaWorld, and they paid me well – even though something happened and they didn't print the article. Of all the magazines I wrote for a few years back, AmigaWorld is the ONLY one that invariably paid me on time and as much as they promised – and I wrote for almost all of them, both in the US and in England. —Betty
#110223From: Peter JonesAug 12, 1993 2:17 PM
Betty, Wow, You were paid for an article that didn't even make it into print? I call that honorable. In this neck of the woods, you only get paid after the article is published, sometimes long after. Pete Jones, flying on AutoPilot from Brussels, Belgium
#110233From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsAug 12, 1993 4:21 PM
In US editorial practice if a writer is assigned an article which is subsequently not used or killed, they at least get a "kill fee". This is not at all unusual. Of course, if the article is unsolicited, and the magazine merely expresses interest in it, you ain't necessarily going to get something if they don't print it. –Redmond
#110330From: Peter JonesAug 13, 1993 4:18 PM
Redmond, I must tell my various editors. All my articles are ordered, but no publish, no pay! Pete Jones, flying on AutoPilot from Brussels, Belgium
#110275From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 13, 1993 12:54 AM
That was when AmigaWorld was VERY new – only a few issues old. I kept waiting and waiting to see my article, and it never showed up. Never knew why, either. There are other magazines (still publishing) that never paid me at all for several articles that WERE published, and several others no longer in business that didn't pay for even more of them. So – I think AmigaWorld is really great. —Betty
#110331From: Peter JonesAug 13, 1993 4:18 PM
Betty, Swings and roundabouts, then. I have always been paid for my published articles, barring one where the company went bankrupt. Pete Jones, flying on AutoPilot from Brussels, Belgium
#110197From: SyndesisAug 12, 1993 9:24 AM
As Halley's Comet marked Mark Twain's birth and death, I think AmigaWorld's lifetime will demark the practical limits of the Amiga's lifetime. Sad, sad, but true. Developers like myself will be forced to other platforms (unless we want to roll over and get a "real" job 🙂 but I think I'll still use the Amiga for development. It's a very nice place to write C.
#110154From: kevin kodamaAug 12, 1993 12:05 AM
hi john, you are right, that Amazing article was a mess. What the heck was that pagerender rambling about anyways ? However, you did not come off the worst in that issue. That honor goest to Caligari 24, reviewed by the same *writer* forget the text, the images were so poor, they probably would scare off anyone interested in the product. In fact, his rendering examples of ADpro, Morph plus, Real 3D, etc. have all probably done more damage than good. They are all professional level products, but the images were amateurish at best.
#110195From: SyndesisAug 12, 1993 9:17 AM
R. Shamms Mortier drives me up a tree. He regularly sends out form letters to software publishers, "please send me your stuff so I can write about it." He includes a resume of every single review or feature he's written, not customized to the particular software he's begging for. He may be a fluff-head. He may be begging for software to fuel his own production facilities. But the real source of the problem is an editor or publisher who doesn't realize or doesn't care that they're filling their pages with this junk.
#110468From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiAug 15, 1993 11:09 AM
At least Shamms stopped writing his reviews by going across the menu bar and reviewing programs by explaining what every menu item does, one by one. Ugh. "The Open item on the Project menu is used to load new files. It brings up a file requester which offers you a choice of all the drives connected to your system…"
#109966From: Robert ComerAug 9, 1993 11:47 PM
I saw the article a couple days ago, and just knew you'd respond! 🙂 As you should I might add! Well, to help your cause, I just got my M1230XA in a week ago, and love it! I've had no prblems at all with the board, and it performs as advertised! (I love the speed too, 50Mhz '030 and 50Mhz '882, this suckers FAST!!) (* Usual disclamer about not ever having been employed by Microbotics *) (* I'm just a happy customer *) Bob Comer — Flying high and fast with my A1200HD'030 on Autopilot! From Cheyenne, Wyoming U.S.A
#109985From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsAug 10, 1993 2:42 AM
Well, Bob, you and your fellow satisfied XA owners are the only real antidote to AmigaWorld's poison pen. Your word-of-mouth refutation of their amateur product "analysis" [sic] is the best thing for us. Thanks for your support –Redmond
#110037From: Robert ComerAug 10, 1993 8:31 PM
Glad to help! Bob Comer — Flying high and fast with my A1200HD'030 on Autopilot! From Cheyenne, Wyoming U.S.A
#110017From: Peter JonesAug 10, 1993 3:01 PM
Redmond, My 1200 is equiped with a 33MHz 1230XA + maths coprocessor and just 1 meg of fast ram in addition to the 2 meg of Chip. AIBB 6.1 showed it to be more than 30 percent faster overall than the A3000. I shall be using these results in my upcoming article here in Belgium. I hope that it will help to undo the damage caused by AW'serroneous results to which you refer. Pete Jones, flying on AutoPilot from Brussels, Belgium
#110027From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsAug 10, 1993 5:05 PM
Your help will be vastly appreciated, Pete. I ran a load module on an Amiga 4000/30 and it is about the same speed as an A3000 except it's slightly better on graphics tests than a 3000) Thanks, –Redmond
#110267From: Steve EckhartAug 13, 1993 12:02 AM
Redmond, While I sympathize with you over the numbers published, I don't think that AmigaWorld really "slimed" you that badly. On page 24, where the results of the tests are published, there is a note which reads, in part, "Results for the M1230XA are skewed becuase the AIBB program would lock up when the board was configured for 32-bit RAM…From all other indications, I feel the M1230XA performs on a level with a Twelve Guage…" As a neutral party, (I don't own a 1200, nor do I plan to buy one in the near future) this article would not stop me from buying your product. From the text, I would probably check prices and how well the two boards performed on real world applications. The other real difference seems to be the SCSI on the Twelve Guage, but given the size of the 1200, I don't think the ability to run all those other devices would be that big a selling feature. In other words, what I got from the article was that the M1230XA was one of the best products available, especially in its ability to provide access to more memory than any other product reviewed. Steve
#110299From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsAug 13, 1993 3:35 AM
Well, Steve, I wish (fervently) that you were right. But we have many practical indicators that tell us unfortunately that your reaction is not typical. –Redmond