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Iris output (hard copy)

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#118562From: Yost GroupAug 16, 1994 10:51 AM
If you're converting the images through PhotoShop before printing them, then _PhotoShop_ is the last generator of the image, and not 3ds. Have you printed other images from PhotoShop? Are they also oversaturated — as compared to the way you see them on the PhotoShop screen? If so, it sounds like your monitor gamma is not properly adjusted in PhotoShop. On the other hand, if the images appear oversaturated in PhotoShop as well, you can always desaturate them after-the-fact in PhotoShop, or (as Gary suggests) use less saturated colors in the 3ds Materials Editor before rendering. – Jack
#118594From: ROBERT RITGERAug 16, 1994 1:34 PM
Jack: Could you offer any basics on how one goes about getting one's computer monitor, video monitor, and printed output to have the same appearance? I could really use some insight here. Bob
#118649From: Yost GroupAug 16, 1994 7:55 PM
What you've asked opens a whole can of worms. Basically, it helps to have your software (each image program you're using) properly gamma-calibrated to the monitor you're using so that an image in one program will look the same when loaded into another. I don't have PhotoShop, so I don't know which command to use to calibrate your monitor — though I suspect it must have one. (Maybe someone else can jump in on this.) When it comes to getting your printed output to sync with what you see on the computer monitor, trial and error seems to be the best approach. Since monitors display color as illuminated light, while paper displays color as reflected light, you're never going to get an exact match. I've seen various software approaches to solving this problem (can't remember their names, sorry), but I think experience is the solution. – J
#118672From: ROBERT RITGERAug 16, 1994 9:17 PM
Jack: /__________From your message___________\\ What you've asked opens a whole can of worms. __________________________________________ I figured it would <G>. I can tweak my image processing and paint programs to appear similarly since most have a screen gamma adjustment. To get the computer monitor to match a print it sounds like trial and error whilst holding a print next to the screen? Should I just print some color bars? Photostyler comes with some added software now to correct gamma but I can't make heads or tails of it. Thanks for your comments, I need to schedule a gamma tweaking day. Bob
#118736From: Ted BoardmanAug 17, 1994 7:11 AM
Bob Pick up a copy of RenderPrint. It allows up to 25 thumbnail images to be printed on one sheet, with variations of brightness, contrast, or gamma. It prints the setting at the bottom of each image so you can set your final print to match the best test. Has plenty of other features as well. TedB !^NavFont01F0007MGHHGF3DFF9
#118788From: ROBERT RITGERAug 17, 1994 11:08 AM
Ted: I like your idea! Renderprint has been of some interest but now its looking to be a good tool. Thanks. BTW, I'm heading north for vacation starting 8/26 and could be passing by on Saturday 8/27. Care for a brief visitor? I'll be heading north to Monhegan Island and Deer Isle in Maine before hitting Halifax, Nova Scotia. If you are around on Saturday say noontime lunch is on me. Bob
#118986From: Ted BoardmanAug 18, 1994 7:37 AM
Bob Sat. 27 Aug looks good at this point. I've got you down for a visit, as time get's closer I'll give you directions. I'm only 5 min off I-95! TedB !^NavFont01F0007MGHHG7855FA
#119002From: ROBERT RITGERAug 18, 1994 8:34 AM
Ted: Sounds great! I'll keep you posted on the plans as my vacation approaches. Bob
#118766From: David RhotenAug 17, 1994 10:26 AM
Bob: You could try getting PhotoStyler, as they incorporate the Kodak Precision Color Management System. Basically, you tell it what printer you're printing to (it comes with some printer configs, you have to buy other configs, called Precision Transforms, from Kodak), what monitor (ditto) and what scanner you're using, and it does the rest. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to really profit from it yet (I'm looking forward to Kodak releasing their PT's for the Fargo), but Ana & Jesus/Krazy Images swear by it. With the merger of Adobe and Aldus, maybe we'll see PhotoShop get KPCMS too. Dave
#118790From: ROBERT RITGERAug 17, 1994 11:08 AM
Dave: I've got the KPCMS with Styler. As I said I can't make heads or tails of it although its supposed to be so simple. Says alot about me I guess. 🙁 Where has ANA been lately? Other than having the software come with the device how does one get PT's for various printers? No doubt the Kodak forum? I'm off to the record store to check for the Barenaked Ladies latest. I'll let you know what I find. Bob
#119015From: David RhotenAug 18, 1994 10:34 AM
Yeah, Kodak. You may be able to purchase some from Aldus — at least, that was the impression given me ina convo I had w/ one Kodak guy. I've got a number for them (Kodak) around here somewhere, but if you're in a rush, Dave Stinnett gave the number to me. Let me know how the new album is. Dave
#119049From: ROBERT RITGERAug 18, 1994 2:31 PM
Dave: The Barenaked Ladies' second effort is not as rowdy as their first. There are some rockin' tunes but no "King of Bedside Manner." The lyrics are good and humorous but as per 'Gordon' will take quite a few listens to catch all of the nuances. My first take is that I'm disappointed but we are talking relative terms here. Bob PS As far as the color/gamma correction I'm not in a hurry but I need to map out the strategy for getting all monitors and output devices color synced. Things will start becoming critical when we take delivery on a few new color output devices next month.
#119220From: David RhotenAug 19, 1994 10:22 AM
Bob: What kinds of "color output devices" are you getting in? Just curious. Dave
#119242From: ROBERT RITGERAug 19, 1994 11:35 AM
Dave: We are replacing a Calcomp color electrostatic with two Encad Novajets and we're picking up a Canon Fiery processor to tie in with the Canon bubblejet copier. We haven't completely settled on a dye-sub but the Tektronix Phaser is currently the favorite. Bob
#119278From: CSA/CAAug 19, 1994 2:40 PM
Bob, FYI, Tektronix has a new dye-sub printer, the Phaser 440 (for letter-extra, w/full-bleed 8.5 x 11). Of course, for 11×17 full-bleed, you'd need the Phaser 480. Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
#119645From: David RhotenAug 22, 1994 12:12 PM
I'm betting you can get printer transforms for the Fiery and the Tektronix. The Tektronix output I've seen is fabaroony. Dave
#118906From: Richard GartonAug 17, 1994 8:22 PM
I haven't printed out other images from Photoshop on the Iris but I have created 5 by 4 transparencies from Targa files created within Studio .. they seemed to come out fine .. hence my surprise. I'll experiment some more with Photoshop. Thanks for your reply Richard.