#WB3.1, some observations
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Having had 3.1 for whole week, I now feel able to offer some observations on
the upgrade. I installed it on an A2000 and an A3000 with varing degrees of
success.
Hardware/Software.
ROMS are dependent on machine type, kit for 500/2000 seperate kits for 3000 and
4000. No kit for 1200, perhaps you can use 4000 kit? ROM installation painless
on 2000 but confusing on 3000. My 3000 takes ROM 0 in socket marked ROM 1, the
socket numbers are correct tho. Software install was faultless, even WBStartup
and icon tool types were updated O.K. The kit comes with manuals for
Workbench,DOS and REXX. Pretty mutch the same as the 2.1 items, as is most of
the software in C: LIBS: ,but if it aint broke, why fix it.
In use…
Pretty much the same as 2.1 and 2.04 other than a couple of changes to some
preference editors, the addition of multiview and datatypes. Devices,printers
and monitors are handled as in 2.1, a great improvement over 2.04. Improvements
in graphics speeds are at best marginal, although a 16 colour WB seems bearable
now on the 2000. The CD file system works fine on the 3000. Simply plug CDROM
into SCSI port, boot and click on CD0 in the storage drawer (move it do devs
for permanent use) and the CDROM mounts. PC and CD32/CDTV disks seem fine. No
dice on the 2000, the ICD controller seems to be causing trouble. SCSI
diagnostic programs find the drive type O.K, but DOS reports no disk in
drive.:(
The drive BTW was an NEC multispin. Hdtoolbox now has the facility to increase
block size up to 32K. Hdtoolbox crashes when used with the ICD contoller (as it
did under V2.0), anybody got a fix?
Problems….
Afraid so, well nothing ever is perfect is it? The 3000 is fine bar two
problems. At first the thing wouldnt boot at all, HD light came on and stayed
on, the floppy wouldnt boot either. Had to switch it on and off quickly (dodgy
practice) to get the ROM boot screen, then boot from floppy. Seems that having
sychronous SCSI set caused this problem. The second problem occurs when an icon
is dragged, the icon flashes or somtimes disappears until the pointer stops
moving(O.K. on the 2000 tho). The 2000 however is misbehaving, rather oddly in
some cases. Firstly the 2000 will not warm boot, it usually takes several
attempts. Possibly due to the ICD HD contoller (Can I get updated ROMS?).
Multiview when used as an ILBM or Amigaguide viewer either corrupts the screen
or visits the Guru, as did Amigaguide with 2.1. Oddly these problems dissapear
with a 16 colour WB. No problem at any colour depth on the 3000. Janus 2.1 also
has problems, a mono PC opened on its own screen seems to have a palette bug.
Set your colours, save them, then close the screen. Reload and the colours have
changed. The answer seems to be to create a really odd colour, and if your
lucky when you reload, it will be near the colour originaly intended. Weird…
Wouldnt be the first time that C= own software is incompatible with new a OS.
Conclusions…
If you have a 3000/4000 then go for it. If you have a modded 2000 like mine
then beware of odd HD controllers Etc. Also C= accelerators need ROM upgrades,
I doubt whether these are now available.
I bought my kits from White Knight Technology, the only guy in the U.K. who
really knows the Amiga. The official U.K. distributors are Blittersoft (who may
also be good, but I havnt tried them (yet!)).
Anybody got any feedback on 3.1 with RTG cards such as Piccaso?
Brit users will be confused to note that the locale editor has selections for
both United Kingdom and Great Britain. Obviously I have dual nationality and
didnt know it:)
Robert.
Robert
I have a 2000 with GVP '030 combo accelerator. When I installed the 3.1
ROM, the computer would no longer autoboot. I had to reset the SCSI
address for the hard drive from 6 to 0. Then the machine booted fine.
Jim
Cruising on AutoPilot
Jim,
My problem occurs when I try to warm boot, its fine on a cold boot. I can live
with the problem, just have to give the three finger salute twice. Tried
inhibiting the autoboot and booting from floppy then loading the device driver
from a mountlist, it still wouldnt warm boot. I have never been able to use C=
Hdtoolbox with this controller so I guess its not 100% compatible.
Rob.
We had a SCSI card in one of our 4000's, and with it in there we couldn't warm
boot it either. With a new SCSI card it worked fine. But other than the warm
boot it wasn't a problem.
Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing
Robert,
United Kingdom includes Northern Ireland, Great Britain doesn't. Perhaps
Commodore was catering to political sensitivites. <g>
Pete Jones, flying on AutoPilot from Brussels, Belgium
Robert:
There is one thing I don't understand in your discussion of WB 3.1:
>>
At first the thing wouldnt boot at all, HD light came on and stayed on, the
floppy wouldnt boot either. Had to switch it on and off quickly (dodgy
practice) to get the ROM boot screen, then boot from floppy. Seems that having
sychronous SCSI set caused this problem. <<
What is "sy[n]chronous SCSI set" mean? How do you do it and what does it do?
Several people describe the no boot problem with the WB 3.1, so how does this
correct the problem and how does one do it?
I am sure your answers would be well appreciated by the people with this
problem….including myself.
Regards,
Norm
Norm,
Good question! Perhaps someone else can give us a consise explanation of
exactly what synchronous SCSI is? I would hazard a quess at it being somthing
to do with multiple devices on a SCSI bus. I rember reading somewhere that sync
SCSI is quicker, but no reason was given why it should be.
My A3000 will not boot with sync SCSI turned on, the HD light comes on and
stays on. The floppy drive remains inactive. There are several ways of toggling
the setting. Assuming you can boot at all(try swithching off then on again
quickly,this might get you to the insert disk screen,also might damage your
Amiga!) use a Batmen setting utility like Scrammer or Batmem. These can be used
to edit the sync SCSI setting amongst other things on the A3000. They are both
here in the libs. As far as I know the default setting is off, so unless you
have changed this setting yourself I dont think this is your problem. Some
drives have a jumper for sync/async operation, again I dont know what this
means in relation to the drives themselves or any potential problems with 3.1..
Best of luck,
Rob.