#Flyer Questions Answered
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I will be traveling to Topeka this weekend to do an article about
using the Flyer (it will be published in the October issue of VTU.)
What questions do you have regarding the Flyer? I will compile a list
of questions from this forum and ask them at NewTek.
>> I will compile a list of questions [about the Flyer] from this forum
>> and ask them at NewTek.
Thanks for your offer, and forgive me if I ask anything that has
already been answered, as I've not yet seen any specs for the Flyer.
1) Does the Flyer offer a range of resolutions with different
storage requirements, as the Avid Media Composer does?
2) What are the storage requirements for digitized audio and
video in terms of bytes-per-minute (or the range of such requirements
if the platform offers different resolutions)?
3) Since the Flyer offers D2 processing internally, is there a
digital I/O option for either importing or dumping to D2?
4) How many channels of simultaneous video and audio playback
are supported?
5) How much on-line storage is supported (total number of
drives, drive size, maximum partition size)?
6) I understand the current software interface is somewhat
primitive (i.e. no timeline, simple storyboard only). What are the
plans for producing more robust software? If Newtek is depending on
third-party companies for this, does any third-party company already
have something in the works?
I want to know what type of harddisks it is going to use SCSI or IDE.
A list of names and models would be nice. Also the backup
posibilities for DAT or 8mm drives. Do I need a software package like
Quarterback or does it offer something built in?
Jim,
Since you're offering, how about:
1. SMPTE timecode support for editing chores?
2. How about dynamic-tracking effects like slo-mo and fast-mo?
3. Type of CD-ROM player that is NewTek recommended? As I've heard
that
this and future upgrades would be released on CD-ROM.
4. How about SW upgrades? What frequency? Estimated cost?
5. Ability to create your own ADO-style effects and transitions with
LightWave?
6. Will it be able to do multi-layers, like a picture-in-picture with
a keyed graphic?
7. Will the audio section include a 1Khz tone to include with your
bars?
these are some of the features of other systems that would be nice to
see on a system like the Flyer or at least find out if they are
planned 'improvements'
Thank's for asking!
1. Does it create DVE effects through rendering or Toaster DVE?
2. If it uses Toaster DVE, is it a sellable solution?
3. Will there ever _be_ a fix for the DVE capablities in the Toaster ?
4. Does it use one source of non-linear video for true random access
transistions or is it a non-linear source that must render cuts
and dissolves to a second drive?
5. As alot of aging Amiga video edit system are based around linear
tape machines and users are decidedly frugal wouldn't a more con-
ventional system running on a thriving IBM or MAC platform
be a smarter buy? ala Matrox Studio?
6. If a Christmas release is planned, will the possible
failure of a Commodore bailout spell doom for the Flyer and
NEWTEK??!!!
Please find out how the Flyer will handle sound.
1. Will you be able to lay down separate tracks at specific
locations? ie – a sound effect oposite the video
2. I was shown how a video insert is done. Is this the way it
is going to be?
3. How will it do slow motion and reverse motion? I didn't
quite understand the answer I got.
4. How is sound edited? How is it mixed?
5. Can you set separate levels for each track?
As far as A/B editing, will they let us use our own brain and put the
main material on one drive and the B roll stuff on the other, or are
they going to force an inneficient "for the dummy" system that uses
more disk space than is really nec.?
A COMPLETE description of audio capabilities.
Will there be robust AREXX control of playing clips back from the
flyer. Many of my projects could A roll from tape,and I could trigger
the B rolls and toaster effects via AREXX.
Just have them give a complete description of how the thing will work
so we can comment on it!
Brian
I have heard a rumor and I hope you can ask them if it is true:
Supposedly, NewTek will only guarantee the hard drives that are used
for the Flyer, if you purchase the drives through NewTek. They have
supposedly stated that they are comming across a lot of variation
within the same identical drives and that not all of them (regardless
if they are the same exact brand, model number, etc..) perform the
same. Therefore, they are claiming that they cannot guarantee
compatiblity and that if you buy from another source, you may be SOL.
So, is NewTek going to hire people to sit around and bench test 5,000
drives??? or is this just a slick way of increasing the bottom end
by creating a non-existant crisis and charging a little more for the
same drive that everyone else sells?
Oh, with regard to Variable Tracking motion control, why is their so
much confusion? If the flyer is going to be able to also output for
film at 24fps, why can't the software handle 60fps, or 10fps. The
PAR sort of already does this so what is the big deal?
Why are they so adament about not supporting Y/C, or Component for
that matter? What sort of magical technology does something like
Y/C+ or Y/C++ have that cannot be incorporated into a device that
will ultimately cost the typical user $9,000.
Audio specs are very important. What is the Flyers sampling
frequency? Can the quality of audio also be altered as is the case
with the quality of video?
The way I understand it, is that the Flyer needs a certain firmware on
the drive. PAR users know all about this since we had the same
requirements for the Seagate. (BTW PAR is now at v 2.25b).
I hear from my local Amiga/Toaster dealer that Micropolis will supply
dealers with firmware that they can install on HDs with the incorrect
version.
I heard that rumor, too. If they're culling half of the drives they
test, who's going to accept the RMA for them? If half fail before
delivery, how many won't be passable in the field, once subjected to
other variables like power supply, Amiga variations, etc?
I can't imagine that so many are not meeting spec. It is my understanding that
the manufacturing tolerance on HD's are pretty tight – it should be a totally
automated procedure.
I think since Commodore has gone under, NewTek has realized that its short term
profits may not be as nice as the past two years (lets face it, if no one can
provide Amiga hardware – NewTek is not selling any new Toasters). So this may
be a slick ploy to try and squeeze a few extra bucks out of the 2,000 or so
Flyer orders they claim to have deposits on (including mine).
I just can't see any company allocating the manpower necessary to test 4-5,000
hard drives and deliver them on a timely fashion – and charge a reasonable
price.
And you are right, who is going to accept the RMA's for the ones that don't
"pass"?? I just don't believe that the drives are so fragile that every single
one has to be tested.
Hopefully Mr. Plant will shed some light on this matter during his visit to
Topeka.
Adib
RE: Flyer hard drives…
NewTek has been testing different drives in house and they are
finding that the some drives from the same manufacturer's do not
work. In giving serial numbers to the manufacturers, they have
discovered that there are often undocumented firmware updates that
prevent the drives from working reliably.
You can imagine what a distribution and tech support headache this
could become for NewTek. Eventually, it should be all worked out I
would imagine.
Thanks for clearing things up a bit. I too hope that they have this
drive business taken care of by the time they release the Flyer. Is
Amblin getting any Flyers?
They'll be wonderful for dailies and playback on set. Plus it would
be really nice for every animator to have one as their personal
PAR…
John, 'guess I'll just have to hope that the Micropolis 2217A/V I already have
will be OK (?). Regards, Gary
You may be able to call Micropolis and give em the serial # to find out (I
don't know if they would know tho)…
Will the Flyer come with a time line..something for pro editing?
Also, at work we need the ability to tag shots in numerous ways and
then be able to say," Run all the footage with Tag A, B, F, K, M,"
for example.
I know the NFL is going NLE in a short period of time… and many
colleges will follow the NFL. NewTek would be missing a big market
to disreguard this message!
A month ago NewTek responded that since it was an on-line system it
does not need and will not support EDLs, low quality input for EDL
build with auto high quality resample and edit. But hey – what did
we really expect for 5K.
Oh, I forgot this one… and I can see everyone's eyes roll here, but
darnit, I want this…. will the FLYER's sound hardware support
SURROUND Encoding? After Tim laughs, ask him again! I want to make
sound as important as video!
GREAT idea !!!! Dolby Surround is definitely a NICE thing to have!!!!
All ya need to do is look at my Laser Disk Video Collection
hehehehehehe
Yea, one of my friends from college learned how to mix surround off a
camcorder… However, it is still a secret that he won't reveal! :{
When everyone else was having trouble with the focus of their camera,
we were turning in wide-screen surround mini-movies!!!! :} Geeze, I
hope NewTek puts in surround!
ok you get the Rope and I'll get the Rubber Hose….We'll get the
Secret out of him and if that Doesn't work we'll leave him tied up
and force him to watch reruns of "Get a Life" till he
submits……….
Peter, Well, I have tried, and even with a rubber hose, and maybe
some toxic liquid, I still don't think anyone could get it out of
him! :} Maybe we should all call Dolby Labs and beg for a pro-sumer
model of their encoder!!!:} Here's hopin' NewTek is listening!!!!
Bummer, oh well Surround Sound has to be attainable somehow.
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