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#Siggraph: The Dark Side

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#184679From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 13, 1995 12:16 AM
This is for everyone who couldn't make it to Siggraph 95: Now that you've read all of the exciting news about Siggraph, I thought I'd fill-out the color a little by letting you in on the not-so-exciting news. While the following scenario may not be typical, it is based on actual events. Be warned, this is a lengthy message. . . Let's start with Sunday. Upon arriving at LAX, I flag down a shuttle to my hotel. How about those shuttle rides, eh? If there were ever a prime candidate for a motion-control ride, this is it! A half-hour ride via SigShuttle puts me in the phenomenal LA Convention Center — and an hour-long wait for Electronic Theatre tickets. And of course, the day I wanted was sold out before the conference even started. After an exciting evening at Alan's AMMEDIA Party, I settle in for some shut-eye. A brief look at the local news while perfoming my pre-bedtime ritual reveals that strange white globules with a high backterial content are found on Newport beach. Isn't that where Pyros is located? The beach is closed until the matter is resolved. I hoped this wouldn't put a damper on my visit to Pyros open house, but alas, I never made it due to travel circumstances. If I didn't mention it already, I stayed on the sixth floor at the Holiday Inn Select in Beverly Hills. I'm sure I didn't mention that this particular Hotel is recently renamed from Ramada making travel via cab even more exciting (read expensive) than usual. Monday. I awake and open the window to discover — Oh My Gosh!!! THE WORLD IS GONE!! Upon closer examination, I realize it's merely hidden in a thick brew of smog. Morning news indicates that air-breathability is "Unhealthy". Strangely, the weather man's disposition suggests that this is quite natual so I decided to just accept it. Later, at the LA convention center, I discover that a hamburger, a pop (or soda for you westerners), and a cookie costs over nine dollars! Esteemed collegue Mark Meir discovered that a salad, pop, and cookie costs over twelve dollars! Later that evening, I attended the Electronic Theatre. Subsequent to the usual mind-blowng show, was the less than mind-blowing bus ride back to the hotel. Unfortunately, the bus on Route 5 was absent and, subsequent to a forty-five minute wait for an substitue bus, I had a wonderful forty-five minute ride back to the hotel. Fortunaly, the bus had a TV and I was able to watch the first half of "Clear and Present Danger". I wondered if this was an omen. Tonight's news: Forest fires are out of control. Tuesday. I strategically position myself at the entrance to the Exhibit floor near the left set of entrance doors so that I could score a great seat for the 3DS presentation. Nevertheless, the gaurd at these doors was the last to be told that the floor was open, so by the time I arrived at the booth, the place was packed beyond belief. Fortunatley, it was entirely worth it to stand through all three presentations. Later that evening, back at the Hotel's restaurant, I discover that for three dollars more than Mark's salad, I could get a New York Strip Steak. So I did. An hour or more of bus-riding places me at the Biltmore, aka the site of the Adesk bash. That's right, bash, as in bash your way through the crowd. David Marks discovered that the hold-up at the bar was because they ran out of glasses! Now that's a party!! Tonight's news: Four convicts escaped from the LA prison, and authorities have no idea where they are. And within one day, air conditions have deteriorated to "Hazardous". Wednesday. Having thoroughly traveled the Exhibit floor on Tuesday, I decided to spend some time viewing the various presentations. As you might have heard, Truespace, Lighwave, and numerous other demos were thwarted by system freezes, virii, and other electronic disasters. Didn't matter anyway because they couldn't keep an audience due to the 3DS buzz. Tonights news: An amonia leak causes a thousand people to be evacuated. Source of leak could not be found. Airport security increased due to possible terrist activity — leave early for Thursday flights ( hey, that's me! ). Thursday. Shuttle to airport was delayed, followed by the exciting, if not nautiating, ride. After being pan-handled by a vegetarian new-ager, I find my flight delayed. Naturally, the connecting flight in Ohare was NOT delayed, and the departing gate was, of course, the geometic maximum distance away from the arrival gate. An all-out sprint while carrying pounds of Siggraph literature, proves successful, but my assigned seat had been given away. Stewardess: "In the event of a water landing . . ." what the hell is a "water landing?" Well, that about covers it. See what you missed! Honestly, though, it _was_ all worth it. A new era in computer graphics has been born, and it's name is _MAX_. — James E. Coulter — Choreo Motion —
#184700From: ALAN IGLESIASAug 13, 1995 2:38 AM
James, thanks for a very amusing message! (even though it wasn't a very amusing experience…) The only thing you seem to have left out was the passing of esteemed guitar man Jerry Garcia. <f> (means frown) I'm glad that despite all the problems you had you still found the show worthwhile. I hope next year's N'awleans show goes wonderful for you — you certainly deserve it! Good seeing you again, -Alan
#184835From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 13, 1995 11:38 PM
> passing of esteemed guitar man Jerry Garcia. < I did happen to catch that on the news too. I recall one of the anchormen, who greatly resembled "Jim" from Murphy Brown, was choking up on air. Can't say I blame him. Otherwise, I'm already looking forward to Siggraph 96, but not the New Orleans prices. — James — Choreo Motion —
#184708From: Positron PublishingAug 13, 1995 6:52 AM
James, I experienced Deja-Vu reading your message. LA is a rat hole. Of the last five or six Siggraphs, I can't remember one taking place in such an unhealthy, unfriendly environment. All things considered, it was a great show, just a bad place to have it. Brent
#184753From: William A. TriffetAug 13, 1995 2:15 PM
>>I experienced Deja-Vu reading your message. LA is a rat hole. Of the last five or six Siggraphs, I can't remember one taking place in such an unhealthy, unfriendly environment.<< Couldn't agree with you more. But,to be more specific "downtown" LA is a rat hole. As a life long local of LA I agree, I hate downtown as most of us do. The ironey is they keep building up downtown to be the only place to hold a show of this size. I'm sure there are other venues in the city that would have been a much better experience for the visiters and the locals alike. I think New Orleans will be the greatest site ever ( great music and food). It's easierfor me to fly to another city than to drive to downtown <BG>. IMHO of course! Bill – Triffet Animation Co.
#184797From: Positron PublishingAug 13, 1995 7:38 PM
William, I guess I was staying at the wrong place, and not familiar enough with the good places to go. I much preferred Anaheim a few years back. Perhaps the LA Chamber of Commerce will use my "LA is a rathole" to entice visiting rodents <g>. Brent
#184849From: William A. TriffetAug 14, 1995 12:44 AM
>>I guess I was staying at the wrong place, and not familiar enough with the good places to go. I much preferred Anaheim a few years back. Perhaps the LA Chamber of Commerce will use my "LA is a rathole" to entice visiting rodents <g>.<< Just give our new downtown subway a chance, It'll be full of rats! <g>. Yeh, Anaheim was much easier on the nerves. Orange County is much more laid back… though bankrupt now. Well, we've got Zydeco music and gumbo to look forward to next year 🙂 Bill – Triffet Animation Co.
#185156From: Ernie JacksonAug 15, 1995 9:42 AM
>> I much preferred Anaheim a few years back << Me too. Now if it would only come on down the coast to SD and use our convention center on San Diego Bay… Then you'd see a _really_ nice town! – ej
#184850From: albert waltnerAug 14, 1995 12:50 AM
>> I think New Orleans will be the greatest site ever >> (great music and food). It's easierfor me to fly to >> another city than to drive to downtown <BG>. IMHO of course! I guess you missed the piece 60 Minutes did about corrupt cops. They said that a tourist was beaten up by a cop because he complained about the food in a resteraunt. To be fair, it was probably just a one of them darn Yankees from New York City<g>. P.S. I lived there for a while and never met a cop like that. (but I was not looking either <g>).
#185022From: Jeremy Hubbell [Adesk]Aug 14, 1995 6:57 PM
I grew up there and now live in S.F. Gotta say that N.O. has had its moments! You're right though, SIGGRAPH next year will be awesome. Somehow though, I've gotten appointed official Autodesk tour guide!? Oh well, it'll be fun. Jh
#184778From: MARTIN G FOSTERAug 13, 1995 6:35 PM
Brent, >> LA is a rat hole. Of the last five or six Siggraphs, I can't remember one taking place in such an unhealthy, unfriendly environment. << I work in Hollyweird but I live in Laguna Beach, about 70 miles south on the coast, so I know what you mean. We escape the smog and most of the crime and have ocean, island, and mountain views. I think I've found paradise and it's only 70 miles south of a "rat hole" <g>. Each to his own you know, but I could not imagine living inland. When I came from England the only 2 places I considered were SoCal and Boston. At a pinch I'd consider other places but it'd have to be on or close to the coast. I was actually pleasantly surprised by LA this year. Normally I avoid going there like the plague, but during Siggraph the smog levels were quite low (you should see it when it's bad). I did some pleasant walks around downtown and to and from the convention center, went to some cool nightspots, and had some amusing encounters with a couple of panhandlers who used comedy rather than agression as their technique <g>. For me, there's a strange, quirky, beauty about modern, american, downtown architecture and LA is no exception. Sorry, you didn't enjoy your trip 🙁 Do you think New Orleans will be more enjoyable? I'm looking forward to it already…. see you there. Martin
#184796From: Positron PublishingAug 13, 1995 7:36 PM
Martin, J.J. (the MeshPaint programmer) tells me that New Orleans is also run down and unpleasant. He spends his non-Positron time at Tulane. I guess my biggest disappointments stemmed from trying to find food. The best two meals I had associated with Siggraph were on the plane. As per typical trade show, the lines and food at the event were reminiscent of the highschool lunchroom (only lot's more expensive). The hotel (Figueroa) had lousy food, and most other places within walking distance seemed unsafe or unhealthy. It had been about 10 years since I had gone to downtown LA. (I enjoyed the Siggraph at Anaheim two years ago.) By the way, congrats on the nice work in Virtuosity. (I think I remember hearing at the Autodesk party of your envolvement.) I did not realize until the show that MeshPaint was utilized a bit. We're tickled. I saw it last night and was very impressed! Brent
#184814From: MARTIN G FOSTERAug 13, 1995 9:28 PM
Brent, >> By the way, congrats on the nice work in Virtuosity… I did not realize until the show that MeshPaint was utilized a bit. We're tickled. I saw it last night and was very impressed! << thanks for the compliments 🙂 I don't believe that we used Meshpaint at MetroLight Studios, we only have the demo so far, but there's a good chance that the L-squared folks who did a large chunk of the 3ds work used it. I always wanted to use it, but most of the heads I do use skin.axp which won't work very well with meshpaint. I did the heads the old-fashioned, painfully slow, way 🙁 I wanted to say "hi" to you, since I've always enjoyed your well-balanced columns in AV/Video, but didn't get the chance. Martin
#184820From: dave aguilarAug 13, 1995 9:37 PM
>> The best two meals I had associated with Siggraph were on the plane. As per typical trade show, the lines and food at the event were reminiscent of the highschool lunchroom (only lot's more expensive). The hotel (Figueroa) had lousy food, and most other places within walking distance seemed unsafe or unhealthy. << we had excellent meals at several of the hotels downtown. smeraldi's at the biltmore was very reasonably priced and served large portions at all meals… there were some others in some of the other hotels… it helps to know a few locals <g> air was unbelievably breathable during the week, and though some areas seemed dangerous… where we're going next year "ain't that safe either". highlight for the week… the electronic theatre's preshow laserdot ballet <ggg> -dave
#185157From: Ernie JacksonAug 15, 1995 9:42 AM
>> and had some amusing encounters with a couple of panhandlers who used comedy rather than agression as their technique << Did you get approached by the guy who asked for "food, spare change or _credit cards_"!? Well… at least he set his goals high! Wonder how often he gets a visa gold laid on him? – ej
#184837From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 13, 1995 11:38 PM
> LA is a rat hole. < I wasn't necessarily trying to desparage LA's reputation — then again, I doubt I could add to the damage it's reputation has already sustained. — James — Choreo Motion —
#184783From: Ralph F. FrantzAug 13, 1995 6:42 PM
James, Thank you for the smile that message put across my face! LA is a riot. (or maybe I shouldn't put it quite that way <g>) Ralph
#184836From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 13, 1995 11:38 PM
The funny thing is that I was just telling it like it was. Not exagerating at all. Just thought I'd balance the scales so the people who couldn't make it could share the _whole_ experience. <g> BTW, great job on Virtuosity. You & Martin did some first-rate work. Thanks! — James — Choreo Motion —
#184886From: Ralph F. FrantzAug 14, 1995 10:07 AM
>> The funny thing is that I was just telling it like it was. …and thats what made that story so entertaining! >> BTW, great job on Virtuosity. Thanks James, my part seemed so small in the grand view of things. Just glad to have been able to give it my all. Ralph
#184812From: MARK A. MEIERAug 13, 1995 9:23 PM
Hi James, >> Oh My Gosh!!! THE WORLD IS GONE!! << Hilarious! And completely accurate. I read your message earlier in the day and I keep thinking about it and laughing. I also keep recalling your comment about the title of Don Landis's new book: "So You Want to Start a Render Farm". HA! Mark
#185117From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 15, 1995 2:37 AM
Ya, but that's an inside joke. The background leading up to it really adds to the humor! — James — Choreo Motion —
#184830From: Robert C. RitgerAug 13, 1995 10:20 PM
James: Sheesh, you don't ever want to visit NYC. My advice – rent a car and stop watching the news <GGGG>. To contrast your trip I found parking on the street whenever I needed a spot. I never got caught in the notorious LA freeway traffic, enjoyed a great day at the beach and found I could jettison about 25 pounds of magazines by reading them all on the flight home. You want to hear horror stories, ask Dave Rhoten about his first night in LA, you'll feel lucky. – Bob Ritger
#185118From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 15, 1995 2:37 AM
> You want to hear horror stories, ask Dave Rhoten about his first night in LA, you'll feel lucky. < Hey, I made it home in one piece. I _do_ feel lucky!! — James — Choreo Motion — PS to Dave R: How about it Dave? It's your turn at show-n-tell ! <g>
#185180From: David RhotenAug 15, 1995 11:55 AM
Bob: >>horror stories No kidding! $3.75 for a glass of OJ and $11 for a single waffle w/ a dozen berries (& s-l-o-w service) at the Biltmore. <shudder> Oh. Were you talking about the sauna-esque hotel room (w/ complementary stench and mold-dust(tm) but w/out a/c or a working telephone) at the "Good Night Inn", w/ shooting/stabbing a block away, and the loud argument amongst a large group of loud-mouths on the street below our window from about 2-3:30am? The argument was all in Spanish, but I beleive it went something like: Person A:"You got Alias in my Wavefont!" Person B:"You got Wavefront in my Alias!" Person C:"How are they together?" Persons A&B:"Hmm. Not as good as MAX!" Person D:"Oh yeah? Well, LightWave kicks ALL their butts!" etc.etc.etc. Anyway, it was good to meet you, Bob, and I just wish I had been a little better rested prior to the ASOFT bash, so I would've enjoyed it more and felt more like mingling. As it was, none of my group had gotten any sleep Sat. night <see above> and not only were we running on empty, but none of us could wait to get back to our new hotel room (a wonderful gal w/ ATI travel at the convention got us a room at the Omni for less than at the flea-bag!) and hit the beds. (Actually, as it was, we went back and sat around drinking Cokes and watching Beavis & Butthead, before crashing!) Dave
#185202From: Harley HugginsAug 15, 1995 1:15 PM
Dave, Sorry I didn't get to talk to you longer at the Autodesk bash. >> (Actually, as it was, we went back and sat around drinking >> Cokes and watching Beavis and Butthead, before crashing!) Sounds like a typical Rhotten-Gaffney-Reed evening to me. The real question for everyone is: Where did you put you Michelle Bousquet tattoo? Harley
#185384From: David RhotenAug 16, 1995 9:59 AM
>>Where did you put MB's tatoo? Let's just say we'd have to have another hot-tub party at Melissa's folks' place before you'll ever find out! <G> Dave
#185596From: Harley HugginsAug 17, 1995 9:40 AM
>>Let's just say we'd have to have another hot-tub party at Melissa's folks' >>place befor you'll ever find out! <G> This definately belongs under the subject heading – Siggraph:The Dark Side. Harley
#185870From: David RhotenAug 18, 1995 2:17 PM
Harley: Just got a letter from Mike. He says "I've already seen the Siggraph 3DS reel, so that's one less thing to do when I come down. Maybe you can tell me what you saw at SIGGRAPH — every time I try to talk to Harley about modelers, he tries to sell me 3DS!" Ha! (Although the new 3DS-MAX modeler is much more like UpFront, which he likes….) He also went into the horror's of his new place — from the sound of it, _I'd_ be contemplating suicide…. Later, Dave
#185314From: Robert C. RitgerAug 16, 1995 12:16 AM
Dave: I hope you managed to enjoy at least the tail end of your SIGGRAPH trip. Great to finally meet you! – Bob Ritger
#184842From: SEAN PLATTERAug 13, 1995 11:47 PM
DUDE!!!! Like, James . . . I'm so sure! I've, like, lived here in LA LA Land for 11 years and, like, I was reading your post and, like . . . what's so bad about all that? From a terminally blonde dude, Sean Platter ps: All the above was meant in the most humorous of ways. 🙂 I'm truly sorry to hear LA didn't treat you so well, the only place you are likely to see and feel anything of honest beauty here in tinsel town is on a sound stage.
#185119From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 15, 1995 2:37 AM
> and, like . . . what's so bad about all that? < <G> I must be a simpleton. In Michigan, the biggest thing we have to watch out for is what we're stepping in! The downside is that people still ask me "What are these numbers and symbols here on the bottom of your business card?" I always respond "Don't worry, you'll know what they are when you need them." — James — Choreo Motion — 73670.677@CompuServe.Com
#185170From: Anne BrownAug 15, 1995 11:07 AM
<G> And the biggest thing to watch out for here in Maine is the moose on the roads at night. And that's BIG!! I've been envying all the reports from Siggraph but think I could skip the city tours. Course visiting Boston has it's "joys" also. Anne
#185316From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 16, 1995 12:27 AM
I guess any place with an airport and convention center big enough to support Siggraph is going to have its share of local color. — James — Choreo Motion —
#184872From: Accu-WeatherAug 14, 1995 8:27 AM
Ahhhh, our own little ray of sunshine: JC. <g>
#185120From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 15, 1995 2:37 AM
Hi Wade! We should have partied more like last year. Your sense of humor always gets me going!! — James — Choreo Motion —
#185139From: Accu-WeatherAug 15, 1995 7:50 AM
>> We should have partied more like last year << Absolutely. Guess you made it back to Hollywood OK Tue eve. I wish I'd've run into you earlier; we were just making our last round before hittin the road. Next year I'll follow thru on the threat of gettin the same hotel as you and then we'll burn downtown down… town… well, something like that.
#185317From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 16, 1995 12:27 AM
> and then we'll burn downtown down… town… well, something like that. < Ha! Alright. Sounds like a plan. — James — Choreo Motion —
#184924From: Ted BoardmanAug 14, 1995 1:14 PM
>> Oh My Gosh!!! THE WORLD IS GONE! << James, that's just LA's version of z-buffering<G> Nice to meet you. -Ted Boardman
#185121From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 15, 1995 2:37 AM
> James, that's just LA's version of z-buffering<G> < Hmmm. Maybe you could tell the local art director to adjust (as in move way out) the camera ranges a little? <g> > Nice to meet you. < Likewise!! — James — Choreo Motion —
#184951From: Andrew SinagraAug 14, 1995 2:44 PM
James, Great story. At least your hotel was in a good part of town. We were staying on the corner of "Crack and Heroine". <g> Sneaking past the people living under the bridge on the way to our hotel was an adventure all in its own. All in all, I had a great time and would definitely brave the concrete jungles for another event such as this. Andrew Sinagra Digital Art & Motion
#185122From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 15, 1995 2:37 AM
> We were staying on the corner of "Crack and Heroine". <g> < ROFL!! — James — Choreo Motion —
#185086From: Yost GroupAug 14, 1995 10:51 PM
Thanks, James… your description of Siggraph was the biggest chuckle of my day. VERY right-on… I (personally) think it'll be a looooong time before I make it to la la land again. Heck… I doubt I'm coming out of my house for a looong loooong time. – G
#185123From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 15, 1995 2:37 AM
Most welcome! After all, it was the efforts of your group that made the trip worth while. — James — Choreo Motion —
#185491From: Tim c BrananAug 16, 1995 4:57 PM
>> I hoped this wouldn't put a damper on my visit to Pyros open house, but alas, I never made it due to travel circumstances.<< Sorry, sorry! I'll make it up to you next year, I promise! (g) : ) I don't know if it was such a dark side, but then again, I had my car, so I didn't have to take buses, though I can empathise with the pan-handle situation. Everytime I stood still outside a building I was hit up. After the ammedia event, I was hit up three times by the same lady, and again at the parking lot. After that I went to a seven eleven to get a frosty beverage to bring back to the hotel, and two more were wating there, then the clerk wouldn't take my travelers cheque, despite my assurance that there was no risk involved with his accepting it. So I scratch the frosty beverage and find a gas station/mini mart to get gas and said beverage, only to get hit up by a guy wanting me to let him pull up his car to my pump and fill his tank at my expense, and another guy at the door with a cup. This time the attendant accepts my travelers cheque with two pieces of ID and a great deal of scrutiny. I've noticed that people are much more wary of travelers checques in crappy parts of cities. Its not like its a personal check or something. All in all, I did not find it such a bad experience. I guess you have to have the right attitude. I've been to L.A enough times to know what to expect and I tend to see it as a colorful experience. There is plenty of good stuff in and around L.A., downtown just isn't one of them (g)
#185553From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Aug 17, 1995 12:37 AM
> Sorry, sorry! I'll make it up to you next year, I promise! (g) : ) < No worries, Tim. My Siggraph experience was filled to the brim as it was. > only to get hit up by a guy wanting me to let him pull up his car to my pump and fill his tank at my expense < Did you let him? <GD&R> — James — Choreo Motion —