#Max…..Quantos?
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Kevin
At release 4 the rumor mill predicted (unjustly) an upgrade price which
would bring the small bussiness
users to their knees! Didn't know about the Bspline modeler<G> Now at the
release of Max, I'm wondering
if the small business guys were a little premature……r5 is HERE! Don't say
it's gonna be free<G> but please
let it not be a reinvestment(ulp!) Any word? Gary
Hi Gary,
<<…r5 is HERE! ..>>
MAX does not equal to R5. If anything MAX is considered R1. Dos 3DS will have a
life of it's own, so there may be a DOS R5 in the future.
So…MAX will be here! (remember, we're still in alpha.)
jonas[adesk]
Jonas
I see! r4 then r5. at Max's release(r1) will the upgrade choices
be simple choices based on the tight hardware requirements of NT and our
specific work environment (and normal upgrade costs) or will upgrade be a
question of reinvesting an all new product in order to stay on board? Gary
Gary,
Note that there are now 2 product managers for 3D Studio. Bob Bennett
moves over to handle MAX, and Brent Blackett takes over 3D Studio DOS. The
migration cost from 3DS R4 to MAX is $995 (after MAX ships). Reservations made
before MAX ships will be $495. Users of 3DS R1, R2 & R3 must upgrade to R4
level first, then pay the migration fee. Any plug-in upgrades are the
responsibility of their manufacturers.
Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
Hi Kevin,
Who and by when does one contact for the pre-release NT option?
(If your firm is an option, please drop me an E-mail note)
Thanks,
jhg
Hi John,
<< Who and by when does one contact for the pre-release NT option? >>
I'll post a more detailed response regard this tomorrow.
jonas[adesk]
Hi Jonas,
PMJI But ! The last time something like this happened ( with ani studio ) you
chaps in the USA said something along the lines of " September … Autodesk
anounces ani studio …. those people who purchase ani pro between now and
shipping of ani studio will be able to upgrade for $150 everyone else who
already has ani pro already will have to pay , I think it was $295 " Now I dont
want to bitch but that comment was only valid for the US, nothing was mentioned
in the original posting about that but when I called Autodesk UK I was told
that that was the case and the cheapest I could upgrade would be equivalen to
the $295….
So my question is will the rest of the world be able to cross grade at the $495
pre release price or are we gonna get persecuted again ?
I like Autodesk products (on the whole) but I'm getting thorougly fed up with
the HUGE markup that you guys put on you products when you ship them over here,
according to my sources the current price or Acad R13 in the US is $3,750 on CD
and $3,995 on disk Whilst 3D Studio R4 sells for $2,995. Over here Acad R13
costs the same on disk or CD at $4,725 whilst 3D Studio sells for $3,975, these
are based on $1.5 to 1 pound sterling the ratees are closer to 1.55 to 1 but
I'll be nice and allow for currency variations and fluctuations. I accept that
there will be a small cost overhead for shipping, and in the case of Acad I
believe the European and US versions still differ slightly, but why does 3DS
cost nearly 33% more over here ? And why do we never seem to get the upgrade
offers that the US gets ?
Other software companies, Corel for example convert fairly accurately their US
prices to UK prices according to a reasonable exchange rate so why dont
Autodesk ?
I appreciate that you probably dont have any say in how Autodesk markets its
products worldwide, but you probably know someone who does and could pass the
message on.
Please forgive the ranting and raving but I've had a rough week and I'm just
waiting to here you tell me that the UK will have to pay $1500 no other options
when MAX eventually ships over here, probably 3 months after the US knowing the
usuall waiting time !
David <In a Huf> Orf
P.S. Can you find out if there will be any demos of MAX here in the UK and if
so where in the next few months ?
Hi David,
<< markups? >>
I'm still waiting on a response from Marketing on this. Hang in there…
jonas[adesk]
Jonas,
I'm still hanging ………………………
David <Doing a Tarzan Impression> Orf
Hi David,
<< .. I'm just waiting to here you tell me that the UK will have to pay $1500
no other options when MAX eventually ships over here, probably 3 months after
the US knowing the usuall waiting time ! >>
International pricing is determined by the local Autodesk offices and *not* by
us in America. I'm sorry but I cannot speculate on the UK's pricing of MAX.
jonas[adesk]
John,
As Jonas says, he'll post the details as Autodesk would like them to
read. Me – I pester my sales reps for the info, precisely so I can answer such
questions with current data. Isn't that what a good dealer is supposed to do?
Works fine, unless Autodesk re-groups and re-states. You can reserve a
migration to 3DS MAX through your Autodesk Multimedia Reseller. Just give them
your name, etc. You should not need to make any payment (deposit) until the
product is actually being released.
Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
Kevin,
My mistake, I thought your firm was a reseller. I am not happy at all with the
local firm that I bought 3DS from and thus I am looking for a better firm. As a
single customer who has arranged over $20k in sales in the last 6 months for
them, I demand service and they don't cut it.
On the other hand, I get in a good mood very quickly when the topic shifts to
my new Power Mac 8500 or the new Indigo2 on my desk at work <G>.
Thanks for the suggestions, jhg
John,
No mistake, we ARE a reseller. It's considered bad ettiquette, though,
to troll the forum for customers, and I'm one of the first to jump on fellow
dealers. So the politically correct response is to refer people to the
Autodesk Referral #, or (maybe) hint that we're in Los Angeles and capable of
handling local customers. Because most forum messages don't indicate where a
user is located, we certainly don't want all dealers to shout at once,
clamoring for your business. CSA limits itself (and per Autodesk contract) to
the local Southern California area, except where a wider range is OK with our
manufacturers, or no dealer services their area. Wish I could have sold you
the Indigo2 <g>.
Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
Apparently, the initals "B.B." are required to be a 3DS product manager…. I
ponder the significance….<g>
Dave
Kevin,
Can you please eloborate on the upgrade pricing?
Do I understand you correctly: If I wish to upgrade my DOS R4 to 3DS MAX it
will cost $495 if I request the upgrade soon, and $995 if I wait until after it
ships?
Thanks.
-Mike.
Hi Michael,
<< If I wish to upgrade my DOS R4 to 3DS MAX it will cost $495 if I request
the upgrade soon, and $995 if I wait until after it ships? >>
This is true in the Americas. International pricing is determined by the local
Autodesk offices – not by us in America. We plan to show MAX in the UK at the
Comp. Graphics Show in London in November.
jonas[adesk]
Autodesk Multimedia Marketing is finalizing the entire 3D Studio MAX migration
pricing plan now. We will send it to our dealers sometime around the beginning
of September. I'll also post the relevant portions here for our customers.
Please contact your nearest Autodesk International office for pricing outside
the United States. Thanks.
Kathy Clinton
MM Marketing
Thanks, Jonas, for the info.
It is hard for me to know if we *really* need to upgrade or not. It certainly
seems like it would be hard to consider NOT upgrading, but until I can really
see it personally, I am not comfortable making the decision….
Why is this strange offer being done? To pump up fourth quarter revenue?
-Mike.
Hi Michael,
<< Why is this strange offer being done? >>
I'm not sure what's strange in the offer, the fact that it's less expensive to
upgrade before we ship or…?
jonas[adesk]
<I'm not sure what's strange in the offer, the fact that it's less expensive to
upgrade before we ship or…?>
The fact that it costs more to buy it after it ships. Seems strange, to me. I
guess you *could* say it is a discount to users willing to commit now. The way
my firm works, unfortunately, is that the higher cost may be viewed as a penaly
to for upgrading later. This is because, we work on four quarter cash basis,
as the end of the year comes closer, more and more restrictions are placed on
spending. Especially this year (tough year). So, since we will not purcahse,
probably, until into the first quarter, it costs us 2x as much to upgrade!
But, you can bet I will make a case about the lower cost if we lock in our
upgrade now.
However, as I said in another message, I would like to see the product up and
running before I commit, and your schedule may not allow this…..
-Mike.
Hi,
I am trying to find a dealer to support this upgrade scenario. I live in York,
PA near Philadelphia. (Autodesk gave me a dealer nearby and they did not even
know of MAX!).
Can you help?
Neither did my dealer! He wanted to know where I heard about MAX, I told him
here, on Cserve. He knew nothing of it, let alone the $495 upgrade! He said he
would look into it, and call me back, he hasn't called back yet and its been a
week!
Jason
Hi Brian,
<< Dealer is unaware of upgrade policy..>>
Adesk will be providing the dealerships with a full program outline in the
September timeframe. Until then, you can relax since we have months yet to go
and let us catch up to the dealers or feel free to give your local dealer the
MAX info from the libs. Kathy Clinton posted a message regarding the dealer
channel and the September time frame but the message has scrolled.
jonas[adesk]
Thanks, I'll put my $$ in an interest bearing account until then 😉