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#Time to Copy Clip

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#119678From: Fred BerneyAug 20, 1995 8:56 PM
Chuck, I keep meaning to ask this. In future upgrades, will it alway take the same amount of time to copy a video clip as it does now? IOW, if I have a 5 minute video clip on Flyer Drive A and I want to copy it to Flyer Drive B, it takes 5 minutes to make that copy. Also, after I have recorded a video clip, if I just give the "make clip" command, it only takes a few seconds for the clip to be made, but if I change either the in scrubber or the out scrubber, even just a few seconds, it then takes the same amount of time of the clip to make the clip. Will there ever be a time when it will just take seconds instead of minutes to make these clips? Fred
#119682From: Russ SpencerAug 20, 1995 10:02 PM
Hi Fred, Sorry it's been so long. I'm sure you'll get the same answer from Chuck but — when you record a clip those hard drives are a'spinnin and a'recordin just as fast as they can possibly go (thats why they cause us so much trouble). When you copy a file from one drive to the other why would you expect it to be able to transfer data any faster than when you first recorded it? I would have expected copying clips to be slower than when first recorded and am delighted that they copy just as fast as it took to record them. I would be extatic if I could back the darn things up just as quickly (that is real time back-up). Later, Russ
#119698From: Fred BerneyAug 21, 1995 7:24 AM
Russ, Good to hear from you. I guess we are both keeping busy. I just thought that coping a file should be faster than creating it. An audio file takes just a few seconds to copy. I realize that it is nowhere the size of the video, but it still needs to be layed down on the drive. I thought that I had made some test on the AVID as far as file transfers and that they were faster. The AVID died this week end, so I can't test it right now. A card went zap. My son was in Toranto last week for a few days. He tells me the AV people at hotels there are a lot different than those here. I'll fill you in later if you are interested. Fred
#119714From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 21, 1995 10:35 AM
Russ has the right tack on the video clips issue. When you record a clip, and then do make clip without moving the sliders, all that actually has to occur is changing the name of the new recording from the temporary name given to every fresh recording to the permanent file name you have entered. If you move the sliders, then a new clip is created by copying the portion you have selected to a new file. The temp file is then deleted. A file name change is instant, the copy takes as much time as recording, again because the drives are working at their limit when recording or playing back video. The file sizes are huge. Audio file sizes are tiny in comparison, so that while a 9G drive holds only 48 minutes of video, a 2G drive will hold hours of audio. When copying files, the drive work at their fastest available speed, which will be the write speed of the target drive. A five-minute HQ5 video clip requires a drive speed of about 5 megs per second to record or to play and will take up close to a gigabyte of space. Since any drive out right now that does HQ5 is right at the threshold for HQ5, i.e. 5M/sec is the drive's top speed, then the time it would take to copy the file drive to drive is going to equal the time it takes to play the clip. A five-minute audio-only clip is only going to be about 60MB. If the drive copies at 5M/sec, that takes 12 seconds to copy. So the difference you see in copy times between a five-minute video clip and a five-minute audio clip is the difference in the time it takes to copy one gigabyte of data vs the time it takes to copy 60MB of data. Chuck.
#119728From: Sam KanterAug 21, 1995 1:56 PM
Chuck, The long copying time in the cutting room makes it very tedious to record a long clip and then "cut" it into smaller ones. Often I will simply -duplicate- a long clip many times and then change the in and out points on the several cshorter clips. This takes -no-time. The only problem with this is that the duplicated clips have the same name and icon. Couldn't there be a way to change a -duplicated- clip's name and icon so re-copying, with it's long waiting time, could be bypassed? This would make a huge time difference, and seems like it would be a relatively simple thing to do in software…
#119737From: Gary KleinerAug 21, 1995 2:21 PM
I second that one. Regards, Gary
#119763From: Fred BerneyAug 21, 1995 6:21 PM
Thanks Chuck, I guess I didn't think my question through before asking it. What you and Russ say does make sence. I just wish there was a way around it. I should have the AVID up and running by the end of the week. I am going to see how long it takes it to copy a file or create a new one with a few seconds removed from the head and tail. Maybe, the AVID is never really writing to the disk. Just putting in markers. I'll ask their people about that. Fred