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#112345From: Black Belt SystemsSep 2, 1993 12:07 AM
There is a hypertext manual – point at what you have questions about, press the Amiga HELP key, and you're on the correct page of the manual. The manual is extensively indexed, contains pictures, etc – this isn't CBM's lame "AmigaGuide", but a complete online documentation system we developed specifically to avoid the pitfalls of printed documentation. We won't be supplying printed manuals again – ever – for ANY product. They're unmaintainable dinosaurs – expensive, clumsy and outdated. Should a customer wish a printout, they can get one by simply telling the hypertext system what they want. But all in all, it's a 100% waste of paper, ink, and time. :^) One of the things that *I* love about the new documentation system is that when something falls short of perfect nd needs to be fixed, we can do it _instantly_. When we add a new capability (which we do more often than ANY of the competition, btw) we can have it 100% in the docs and ready to go. There's quite a bit more to like about it, and very little to dislike… the beta testers reactions have ranged from positive to slobbering happy. :^) The docs currently amount to about 2 megs of information. The next release of them is almost double that – more _actual information_ provided to the customer than any image manipulation system out there today – and it's one heck of a lot more accessable than it would be in printed form. Thanks for asking. :^) –Ben …via AutoPilot
#112405From: Forrest McKinneySep 2, 1993 8:31 AM
The Hypertext manual sounds, like a winner. Will look forward to seing it. Forrest
#112411From: David Schmitt [Baler]Sep 2, 1993 8:59 AM
Amiga products that come without printed documentation are almost worthless to me. I like to read the whole manual when I have some quiet time (like on the train to and from work or at 2am when that 3 hour render job is finally under way) and since there is no such thing as a laptop Amiga, I have to be glued to my machine to RTFM. Besides, on-line manuals are rarely as good as the printed ones (UNIX man pages excepted: they're identical). After writing two on-line manuals myself, I've figured out why: on-line manual authors get into the same "instant gratification" mindset that most users are normally in, leading to a big blob of procedural information that lacks detail. Manual writing is very, very boring. Couple that with the short attention span that on-line help systems force on you and you end up with glop. I do like on-line docs as long as they supplement the full manual. Prompts that help you remember the details of a command/procedure are very helpful as most people will know how they want to do something but they often forget the details of the "how". The printed word may be cumbersome (and expensive too), but it is still the easiest way to document some things. Besides, manuals don't suffer from drive crashes, power failures, or your spouse's fumble-fingered attempts to free up some space for her shopping list. BTW, I disagree with your dismissal of AmigaGuide. I'm writing a off-line message reader with it as the display end. It's actually pretty flexible if you take the time to learn it. But then, you march to the drum of a different beater <:-)
#112424From: Roy PahnkeSep 2, 1993 11:30 AM
Dave – I don't know much about Ben's products (Have never had a need to own or use them, but maybe someday). But I have heard Ben's discription of his Hypertext software. A few months ago we had a good thread on the differences between C='s 'AmigaGuide' and Black Belt's product. My point here is to just say that maybe you should learn a little more about Black Belts program before you rave awhole lot about AmigaGuide. And I think maybe you might be alittle short sighted about the future of the written word. We may all find ourselves soon in an age of Online Text. It's comming on us fast and the paperless age that we have all talked about for years (You know the "Computer age and the Paperless Office") with CDrom's and all and gigabyte harddrives is here. Please don't take me wrong, but Ben did say that you could always print out the manual (or parts thereof) yourself. So I really don't think just because the product does not have a manual it makes it " worthless ". I think Ben's product sounds exicting and I wish I had a need for IM – oh I could probably find a need for it alright, if I only had the money for it :)\ You know, maybe I too feel alittle sad about the future of not having hard bound manuals lying around, sitting and filling my shelves and collect a pile of dust on all edges. I too, like to read manuals from start to finish when I get new stuff. But, you know what…, once I read said manual then it goes up on that shelf and sits. Cause I've learned the program and don't need that big book anymore. So maybe an online manual is the way to go – know what I mean. Maybe some time in the future I'll take the shelves down and put pictures up there 😉 OnLine since 1982 Roy Pahnke – Casper WY
#112482From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLISep 2, 1993 6:58 PM
Roy: I know what you mean by the future of printed documentation. Already, I tend to lose the printed manual within days of opening the box (the name Chaocity sort of hints at my ability to organize in a paper universe <grin>) but online manuals are fastideously backed up and available at the touch of the mouse. Of course, I would _love_ a laptop Amiga for travel. <grin> I think Ben is on the leading edge of this technology, and there will be some who find it uncomfortable. Clint <Chaocity>
#112582From: Roy PahnkeSep 3, 1993 9:01 AM
Clint – Yes, Ben is leading the way with his commitment to Disk Based manuals. And yes some will be uncomfortable. Calling a program useless – sight unseen was a little rash I thought and had to say something. I to and a bunch of other would love an Amy Laptop. To bad it's not about a million other though ;( OnLine since 1982 Roy Pahnke – Casper WY
#112575From: David Schmitt [Baler]Sep 3, 1993 8:36 AM
I remember Ben's postings about his hyper-text system. I was just pointing out that AmigaGuide is not as bad as Ben paints it to be. AmigaGuide has one big thing in it's favor though: it's free. I certainly wouldn't classify my posting as a "rave". You must have more patience than I do since you can live with on-line-only documentation. The technology hasn't gotten quick enough for me yet. I get frustrated waiting for pages to be rendered. You are correct though: paper docs are doomed. I'll hang on to my books though. They'll keep me busy during the thunderstoms…
#112626From: Black Belt SystemsSep 3, 1993 1:01 PM
Re thunderstorms… I use a continuous duty sine-wave UPS. :^) Keeps me working no matter what. One thing though, I sure as heck wish there was an Amiga laptop, so I could retire my 486 laptop. I think CBM has entirely blown the estimate of how well such an item would sell. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#113029From: BILL LEACHSep 6, 1993 3:58 PM
AMEN! (laptop Ami) -bill
#112622From: Black Belt SystemsSep 3, 1993 1:01 PM
Well, those are some interesting points. Let me respond to them individually. You make the point that you like to read manuals off-line… on the train, etc. For this, we've provided the ability to print any portion of the documentation; a single subject, an entire group of subjects, or the entire manual. This has some drawbacks, for instance the images don't get printed, but the Amiga printer device does support bold and italics and the like so emphasis is in there. The advantage is that we avoid the waste of a huge paper consumption to serve that comparatively rare need. Frankly, most computer users don't want to read manuals at all – and I'm quite certain of that, after publishing quite a raft of Amiga software in the past 8 years or so. You make the point that online manuals are not as comprehensive as printed manuals. Well, not in this case. :^) Furthermore, we'll be adding a great deal more to it shortly. What we initially shipped was essentially the reference portion, except for the morphing tutorials, which were already done in another context. I don't dismiss AmigaGuide the way you're using it – although I expect you could write a much better offline message reader using ApAssist, considering as it has many, many more document capabilities than AmigaGuide does, plus works on 2.04 and onwards with all of those capabilities functioning, plus has some really cool ARexx stuff. :^) Where I *do* dismiss AmigaGuide is as a good tool to write online documentation with… I've used it extensively and It's just not anywhere near as good. Mind you, it's completely unacceptable to me to write docs that can only be read as written on a 3.0 based machine. 3.0 not even released to the general public, much less in common use. –Ben …via AutoPilot