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#112501From: Bill RobertsSep 2, 1993 9:32 PM
>> Is Phasar suitable for a small business? I use it for my wife's business, which is a one person landscape design business. It is intended for cash accounting systems, not cost accounting that most businesses use. It requires some kludey operations to keep accounts payable and accounts receivable. Don't even think about payroll. I don't know too much about Best Accounting, except the cost is not justified for my size business. It has several modules, which go for on the order of $300 each. There is also a program called Small Busingess Accounting, which I tried, and found totally inadaquate and buggy. It has been updated since then, however. But after my experiance with it, I would not recommend it. Perhaps there are others here who have had a positive experiance. Unless you are a programmer, I would not recommend jumping into SB4. I have it, and have written programs for my use with it (to track investments and medical bills). But it is not a trivial job. Setting up the accounts relationships would require a good knowledge of Data Base structure. I have heard about a company that sells SB4 programs, but I can't remember their name. Perhaps you can get a lead over in the vender forum from Oxxi. To be honest, the best selection of business software is on the PC (boy, it hurts to say that). Bill Roberts — Autopilot from Ellettsville, Indiana
#112598From: Andrew PorterSep 3, 1993 11:18 AM
Yes, Best sounds like it's out of my ballpark, especially at this point. I have done some SuperBase Programming but nothing fancy. My problem is that I don't know the first thing about accounting, ie, the difference between cash and cost systems. The programming would be minor if I knew what I was doing. MoneyCounts, which I currently use on the BB, is for Personal finances but I don't think it would be to difficult to use in a small business (they also have a business module). I also got a good 3D spreadsheet with it (which I rarely use but it only cost $50 for the two) of which there is nothing comparable on the Amiga. It's unfortunate that the Amiga doesn't have more business s/w. PC products are considerably cheaper, better and offer more choice. It's a losing battle. I guess my priority, however, should be to get the business going before I worry too much about accounting. Andrew
#113202From: Wayne ColeSep 7, 1993 11:33 PM
Andrew, Gold Disk used to publish a programs called DeskTop Budget. It was a very easy to use program with a fe minor problems (like it subtracted one from the day value portion of dates on any checks input to the program). It was a little thin on some reports, but overall, for managing a budget, seeing where money went etc it was a good and easy to use peice of software. I don't know if GD still publishes it or not, as the long promised updates never appeared, but it was a good little program and might suit your purposes quite well if you can find a copy. It was much easier to use than Phasar and got around some problems with Phasar 3.0 like the 9 char limit to cell entries. The DTB front end is all Iconic for both income/expense categories, credit card accounts, and checking accounts. It could have domintated the personal/small business accounting packages on the Amiga, but GD and the author seemed to loos interest before they really gave it a chance and any advretising. wmc – via Autopilot!
#113418From: Andrew PorterSep 9, 1993 12:33 PM
Wayne, Ya, DeskTopBudget sounds a bit too simple for my needs. GD is still marketting it but I think they are still charging the standard rate. If they dropped the price I would consider it but it doesn't seem worth it at this point. Have you used HomeAccounts which is by the same people who make WordsWorth? Andrew
#113484From: Wayne ColeSep 9, 1993 9:28 PM
Andrew, Negative on HomeAccounts. Haven't seen it. I've only used DTB and Phasar. Phasar was pretty much a glorified canned spreadsheet. DTB actually did more for me, especially with the automatic payments for salaries etc. and the nice year-end rollover. It also had special tracking for assets, so if you have to pay yearly tax on your "personal property" used in a business as we do in California, DTB mad it easy to track the property and depreciate it. Lot of nice features for home or one-person business. I'm interested in what you have to say about HomeAccounts if you get it. wmc – via Autopilot!
#113521From: Andrew PorterSep 10, 1993 1:36 AM
Wayne, If Phasar is a "glorified canned spreadsheet" would I be better to go with something like ProCalc? But then again, maybe I shouldn't discount DTB with out further consideration. I'm not going to spend anything on a higher end system until my business is actually going so if GD is selling DTB at a reduced cost then maybe I'll go for that. I quess it would be stupid to ask if DTB can convert its data files to other formats, huh? HomeAccounts, from what I recall of the demo, seemed fairly well featured but at that time I knew even less of what to look for so I don't know if it was any good. I was turned off because it had a puzzle to play with while doing your accounts. As I recall, it was also fairly expensive at about $100. Andrew
#113653From: gary ludwickSep 10, 1993 10:04 PM
Andrew, I'll take exception with the description of Phasar as a glorified spreadsheet. But it IS much more a check book type program than a small business accounting program. And it IS a much better choice for a checkbook run small business than Home Accounts. You really have only two choices: A Phasar type program or a full fledged accounting program such as Service INdustry Accounting. Given the complexity of business today I personally believe it to be "penny wise and pound foolish" to try to function without an accountant…even if it's only at year end. If you are just starting up, and plan to run your business out of a check book, Phasar will probably do everything you need as far as keeping track of your income and outgo. And it will make your accountant's job a whole lot easier at year's end. My philosophy is that your job is growing the business, NOT being the bookkeeper. And ANY accounting program requires great gobs of time to set up and keep current. Good Luck Gary on AutoPilot from Charlotte, NC
#113729From: Andrew PorterSep 11, 1993 5:02 PM
Gary, Actually, the "glorified spreadsheet" was a quote so I take no responsibility to your exception. <<BIG GRIN>> Your advice sounds good and I have called my dealer about cost and availability (he doesn't have it but will look into it!) My dealer also suggested Best Acounting which I believe someone said was buggy (sorry, I forgot who said it, was it you?) (I should remember to keep the answers I get.) Of course, being an Amiga dealer he uses an IBM to do his accounting. Ideally I would like something that could keep track of various service-time charges (ie. 1 hour at $25 * 15 hours?) and then add up the charges for a bill. Is that what the SIA program is used for? Basically, for my business, I would want something that I can use to calculate various costs and produce a bill with out a lot of intervention on my part. Maybe your are right, it's time to get a real accountant. I agree with you about time spent. I use MoneyCounts Personal and it takes a considerable amount of time just to do household stuff. To tell the truth, it seems that I will end up paying more for an Amiga program which has fewer features and isn't as well supported. Although my 286 bridgeboard is deathly slow I am going to look at a $37 up-grade to MoneyCounts Business version. It's cheap and is compatible with the records I already have. I did wish to make the BB obsolete, however. 🙁 If MCB doesn't work then I'll get my money back and try Phasar, SIA or some other product. Thank you for your help. Andrew
#113702From: Steve SetzerSep 11, 1993 12:06 PM
Andrew, I use Pha$ar to keep my accounts straight with my business (construction contracting). While it is a little short for a business accounting program, it does fine for me. In combination with SBase4 Pro, it handles most of my accounting needs. If you need something that will handle payroll deduction and the like you will nee The Accountant II. My only wish for Pha$ar is an Arexx port or any type of export/import facility. …Steve ====>>> Motorola 68030 Inside <<<====
#113732From: Andrew PorterSep 11, 1993 5:03 PM
Steve, Thanks for the input. When asking one local dealer about Phasar he had never heard of it. My regular dealer recommended Best. I have decided to take the cheap route for the time being and simply upgrade my BB accounting system. I would prefer to go Amiga but the PC version is only $37 total. I think I'll try and pick up SBase, however, for general record keeping. Andrew
#113792From: Mike SchillerSep 12, 1993 4:50 AM
Steve: I have Phasar v3.0 that I got a while ago, but have never even opened the package. Is the earlier 3.0 version good, or should I upgrade it to the latest version if I'm gonna use it? How does it compare with 'The Accountant II' ? It seems like accounting software is one area where the Amiga is years behind most other computers 🙁 // -Mike Schiller \X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
#112615From: RICHARD BOOMSMASep 3, 1993 12:55 PM
Bill, Is Andrew looking for a small business accounting package for the Amiga? I'm jumping in the middle (don't have the parent message because I was on vacation). If so, I'm using a great program for my business called "The Accountant". I'd need more info from Andrew to see if it's what he needs. Let him know for me in case he doesn't see this post. Thanks. Rich – Flying the friendly AP skys
#112723From: Andrew PorterSep 4, 1993 2:09 AM
Hi Bill, Actually, my original posting was to replace MoneyCounts (on my BridgeBoard) for my personal finances. The consensus seems to be for Phasar for simple accounts and Best for business. I was also asking about "Home Accounts" which no one seems to have had experience with. I am hopefully in the beginning stages of starting up a business so I am also interested in any business oriented products, especially ones which are 1. affordable and 2. able to grow with me. Could you tell me more about the Accountant, please? I am very much a novice at this so you can assume I know little. Thanks. Andrew
#112773From: RICHARD BOOMSMASep 4, 1993 10:51 AM
Andrew, I'ts Rich, not Bill. :^) I replied to Bill's post because it was easier. Glad you got the message, anyway. I run a small corporation (about 12 employees) and have been using "The Accountant" by KFS software since 1991. Although not very familiar with any other accounting packages out there, I can tell you that this one has done very well for me. The Accountant is a simple, user-friendy, double-entry accounting system. By double-entry, that means for every transaction you debit one account and credit another (debit cash, credit sales, credit cash, debit expenses…etc.) of course this is done automaticaly depending on how your system is set up. BTW, your personal acccountant would MUCH prefer you to have a double-entry system, I'm sure. The General Ledger has 3-digit account numbers, so it's not meant to used in a larger company that keeps track of every little thing. You can usually tell what type of business an accounting program is meant for my the # of digits in the GL account numbers. A program with 6 or 9 is going to be very powerful, complicated and expensive. When talking about accounting software, you'll hear about "modules" (Accounts Receivable, Accounts Payable, General Ledger, Payroll) some programs sell them seperately, others individually (usually the upper end systems). The Accountant has all four modules built-in plus a "point-of-sale" (cash register) module. They are all integtrated and swap information. Since I purchased the system in 1991, I have no idea if KFS Software even still exits. However, at the beginning, when I needed tech support they were there. The program is so good I haven't needed suuport for the last two years. As with most double-entry accounting programs, this one assumes at least a basic knowledge of accounting. I believe you'll find that true with any business accounting software. If you have absolutely no experience with business accounting, it would probably be best to ask your accountant what to do and let him do the work. Then again, you could always take a night class :^) The last info I have on KFS Software is: Ben Kirby – 916-824-2944 Good Luck, Rich – Flying the friendly AP skys
#113422From: Andrew PorterSep 9, 1993 12:33 PM
Rich, Sorry, did I call you Bill?? Ooops. Thanks for the info on the Accountant. Do you recall how much you paid for it when you got it? My business, which doesn't even exist at this point will likely have one employee, me. But I need a way to keep track of the cost of time spent on various projects and other records. It's hard because I am inbetween the two worlds of needing a personal account manager and a business package. I'll keep your info and when the time comes I look up KFS to see if they are still around. Andrew
#113433From: RICHARD BOOMSMASep 9, 1993 1:42 PM
Andrew, I think it cost about $200. For a one-person business it's probably more than you need. Good luck. Rich – Flying the friendly AP skys
#113516From: Andrew PorterSep 10, 1993 1:35 AM
Richard, Well, thank you for your comments. As I said, I have archived it and I will keep it on record for if and when the time comes. Andrew