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#3DS to print

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#188672From: john brooksSep 1, 1995 8:30 PM
I've been wanting to print my stills, but cannot figure out what is a good resolution setting to get a photo quality print. I have the use of a color laser printer at another location however when I print my 3DS files the picture comes out in poor quality. How do I go about setting the proper resolution — is it possible at a high resolution to put it on a 1.44 disk? The printer is capable of 300 dpi and my picture right now is at 640 x 480 and is about 900k. Any help would be sincerely appreciated. JB
#188713From: Mark D. PippinSep 2, 1995 1:35 AM
John, You just aren't going to get good output from any of the color laser printers or ink jet printers. I demoed a HP color laser printer and was disappointed. I've used HP 500s, 550s, and 560s and they're terrible. For home use I have a Epson stylus color for the 720 dpi output and thats pretty good. Its the best of the ink jet printers. At the office I have a Fargo Primera Pro with the dye-sublimation option and that's terriffic. I use it for presentations and its only 300 dpi. The limitation is your printer technology and not you. Dye-sub printers blend the individual color dots together so that it looks like a photo and not a bunch of dots. Ink-jet printers just print dots. You're limited to 300 dpi by the printer. It doesn't make any difference what you output from 3DS, the printer is the key. Normally, I set my resolution to standard TGA output, save the image to disk, then exit 3DS to either Photoshop or Corel. I then pull up the picture and print. Almost always turns out good the first time off the Fargo. Have fun!
#188715From: Mark D. PippinSep 2, 1995 1:40 AM
Also, standard uncompressed TGA output will fit on a floppy, about 1 meg. If you can, call Fargo in Eden Prairie, Minnesota (area code 612) and get then to send you some samples of the Primera Pro and the Pictura 310. The Pictura outputs 11X17. I think it will knock you socks off. It did ours. How do they do it for only $1395? Sure beats the Tektronic Dye-sub we looked at for $8000. Anyway enough of this gibberish. If you need good output, get a Epson. For great output you have to do dye-sub. bye 🙂
#188864From: Robert C. RitgerSep 3, 1995 8:32 AM
John: It's NOT true that quality output cannot be obtained from inkjet or laser printers. What is true is that you will have to decide if it meets your particular requirements. Quality of output can be objectively discussed but in the end it is your subjective opinion which matters. With that in mind you can obtain quality results from an Epson Stylus, A Canon color copier hooked to a Fiery interface, an HP Designjet plotter or an Encad Novajet just to name a very few. All of these devices offer completely different results and may do the trick for you. Thermal Wax, Dye Sub and other technologies offer a different look which is often superior but can also cost a bit more. With the above in mind you can gear your image resolution to max out the devices capability. Often there is a diminishing return when you approach the devices maximum res. For instance, your eye may not be able to detect enough difference in a 200dpi image vs. a 400dpi image which is printed via the Fiery box. The image size for a 400dpi image could be in the hundreds of mb's vs. a 200dpi image which may only be in the twenty's. The more pixels you render the sharper the image will be in general. There's no reason to render an image larger than your ouput device can handle as all of the extra information will be resampled down and consequently lost. JPG format can help you get smaller true color files but know your output devices limitations for color. Some can only print 256 colors simultaneously which can make for banding to show in gradual color changes. You can ZIP your images to span several diskettes thus avoiding the 1.44mb ceiling. I love WinZip for this as I don't have to remember the PKZIP switches, just make sure Disk Spanning is enabled when you run it. – Bob Ritger
#188881From: Mark D. PippinSep 3, 1995 11:18 AM
Robert I agree with you on the output question. Dye-sub is only an option. For us it was the only solution. For a ridiculous low price it was impossible NOT to buy the Fargo. We are going to get the Novajet later this year since we need the large output. I'd love to buy a really good dye-sub but I can't justify $8-12000. Thanks for the Canon color copier idea though…saw one at an auction three weeks ago for $500 and didn't take it. Stupid here didn't think. I didn't think you could hook them up to a PC. Goes to show what I know… More auctions are coming this week… But my experience with the low-end ink-jet stuff, even with Superprint, was, "thats nice dear…at least its in color". We needed the photorealistic output. The Epson is fine for drafts, but eveyone here (the laypeople) want Fargo output. Send me your thoughts… Bye.
#188949From: Robert C. RitgerSep 3, 1995 11:56 PM
Mark: I'd print IRIS prints for everything if I could afford it. Personally I prefer dye-sub (glossy photorealism appeals to me) but I have a local photo shop friend who thinks that the Tektronix thermal wax Phaser is worth a look. Personally I think the Fargo is the best deal out there bar none. It may not be the answer for those that need quantity or need prints in a hurry or for the home hobbyist who is also looking for a printer to spit out word processing pages. For a general purpose color printer the Epson Stylus is my favorite and perhaps the best value in its low-priced category. I'm guessing but I think you will much prefer dye-sub over the Fiery output. The Fiery interface is quite expensive and works with only certain copiers. However, its pretty quick, works very well as a network printer, can double as a scanner and can be outfitted to do slide scanning as well. At Siggraph I saw a couple of different RIPs sending plots to the Novajet III. Throw in some glossy film media and the poster size prints were breathtaking. You will not be disappointed IMHO. – Bob Ritger
#188991From: Mark D. PippinSep 4, 1995 10:31 AM
Thanks for the info. We're not that sophisticated yet and I'm still doing research on all the print options. We have some Epsons and one Fargo. I would like to see some IRIS output. Read some things about it, thats all. Is it superior to the Phaser dye-sub output? Couldn't justify the cost of any Tektronix printer this past year so bougth the Fargo. Now that I've proven the value of dye-sub (no one will except anything but dye-sub for final output) I'm going to try and get a high-end printer. I have a demo print of the Novajet and the office crew was screaming! I need to print out high-resolution aerial photos (2400 dpi) and the Novajet looks like the ticket. Later… 🙂
#189109From: Robert C. RitgerSep 5, 1995 1:17 AM
Mark: >> I would like to see some IRIS output… Is it superior to the Phaser dye-sub output? << I can only offer my opinion and yes I believe it offers the best quality print I've ever seen. There are a couple of added benefits to the IRIS plotters. First, the larger machines handle very wide media >36". (The resolution is so high I forget the actual numbers. ) Second, one can print on many different media such as canson paper, cloth, and who knows what else. These plotters are not found too often outside the professional print houses as they can cost in the six figure range. A lot of smaller print shops and bureaus will contract the work and send it out to these bigger outfits. They may charge you bit more, prints alone can cost in the 25$ – 30$ per square foot range. For large format and hi-res the IRIS may be the way to go. Another method for getting top notch photorealistic output to large format is through the digital negative/transparency. A 4"x5" digital negative can be made for fairly cheap say $40. Once made you can have 18"x24" or larger photographic reprints made which can be very impressive. I don't recall the Novajet having a resolution of higher than 400dpi, you may want to verify this if you really need to print 1200 dpi output as you mentioned. Just to re-iterate, if your desire is to have the printer in-house then I thing the Novajet will be a good quality choice and a very economical choice as well. – Bob Ritger !^NavFont01F0004HK9BE698
#189258From: Mark D. PippinSep 5, 1995 5:28 PM
Robert, I'm sitting here with the Novajet III sales brochure and its 300 dpi for color, 600 for mono. I have (are you ready?) 8"X10" color and b&W film negatives…don't ask who I work for…and they produce super prints. I think the Novajet will be OK since the blowup will not be that great (to 24 or 30''). I'll try to find a IRIS shop here in town and do a sample. Thanks for the help!
#189055From: Larry MintonSep 4, 1995 6:30 PM
Just FYI, Epson is coming out with 2 new Color Stylus printers, and discontinuing the current model. New models were suppose to be out at the end of last month, but I haven't seen them yet. LAM
#189110From: Robert C. RitgerSep 5, 1995 1:17 AM
Larry: What's your take on the Stylus? I have one at home and it does nicely but always has a "soft" look – Bob Ritger
#189246From: Larry MintonSep 5, 1995 4:57 PM
I don't have a Stylus <g>. I was out looking at the different printers, decided on the stylus (after 20 minutes of the salesman giving me his pitch), and was ready to put the credit card in his hands. He then looked in his computer and found the last one in stock was the demo one and that they were not ordering any more until the new models were in. To give him an A for effort, he did then try to push a Cannon <g>. LAM
#189334From: Robert C. RitgerSep 6, 1995 7:11 AM
Larry: >> he did then try to push a Cannon <g>. << You know what I say, "Weasels abound!" – Bob Ritger
#189474From: Larry MintonSep 6, 1995 9:39 PM
Yeah. I was going to compliment him on his nice recovery, but he probably would have taken it the wrong way <g>. LAM