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#Amiga clones

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#179713From: arthur argoteDec 25, 1994 10:44 PM
Hey Jerry, Your point regarding the Amiga's survival in the iche market is well taken. Its done so for the past couple of years, but it irritates me the the machine I'm typing on now on autopilot WHILE its DLing mac files on my Term program for the emplant may disappear. I tried alot thats out there, and I've liked what I've seen and I've also shaken my head for such things as multimedia and multitasking. It just bothers me that what you said is very sound, and it really bothers me to hear the hype (or do they really believe what they are saying!?!?!) and claims by both parties. I guess we should just all wait a little more, and give the winner whatever support we can. Kinda of a blue christmas…….. CyberCruising at ya from Brooklyn, NY on Autopilot, —Archie
#179717From: J Saperstein/FontBankDec 26, 1994 12:16 AM
"I guess we should just all wait a little more, and give the winner whatever support we can." The only support that will make any difference is people buying new Amigas – and very few of the owners of older Amigas seem to have done that in past. (That's an opinion based only on what I've seen in comments here and in various media reports. It would seem that a lot of people support the Amiga more in words than in deed and are still running older machines.) The Macintosh market, for example, wouldn't survive if it weren't for people constantly upgrading their environments through the purchase of new machines. Even so, that platform has been facing a shrinking market share for the past several years. The PowerPC has been an absolute failure for those well-wishers who thought that Windows users would flock to a Mac that was as fast or faster than their existing 486 machines. It hasn't happened – and it's as doubtful as it always has been that it will. With all the activity taking place right now in video production, multimedia and kiosks, it would be a damned shame if the Amiga weren't available for that market, at least. I really think some company could make a more than decent living catering to it. Jerry
#179863From: Andre PageDec 27, 1994 9:34 PM
Hi Jerry, I think the reason a lot of Amiga owners didn't buy new machines was because of Commodore's dumb "economy measures" on the A4000 For people with A3000's (myself includes) it was almost a step backwards! No SCSI, No FlickerFixer, etc. We've been waiting for the A5000 that never came. 🙁 / / / //ANDRE
#179900From: J Saperstein/FontBankDec 28, 1994 1:28 AM
"We've been waiting for the A5000 that never came." Well, everyone knows about how well Commodore listened to its own market. <G> Jerry
#180284From: Andre PageDec 30, 1994 9:19 PM
I would have even settled for an A4000T (at a reasonable price!). / / / //ANDRE
#180297From: J Saperstein/FontBankDec 31, 1994 12:04 AM
"I would have even settled for an A4000T (at a reasonable price!)." Yeah – an A4000T at a reasonable price might have had a lot of sales potential. What really bugs me is that the trustees have been so utterly hidebound during the liquidation process. It strikes me that they could have – indeed should have – licensed someone to keep the production lines going from almost the outset. It surprises me that no one seems to have come up with this suggestion – or if they did, that it was obviously totally ignored. There isn't a business person around with any experience in liquidations and bankruptcies who wouldn't prefer to see a business continue as a going enterprise. Heck, continued production provides cash flow and cash flow is what pays off the claims. Maybe Dan Stets or someone will write a book on Commodore's history, which actually is interesting. But it baffles me that no one seems to have done anything to keep production going, even at a reduced rate. Who knows? Maybe the trustees did try, but couldn't acheive a deal. Or maybe they didn't. While I certainly can't be considered an Amiga fanatic, I would definitely have preferred to see my investment in Amiga gear protected by a steady, if diminished, flow of new machines and maintenance of at least part of their dealer and service network. Oh well . . . it's not over yet. Jerry
#180338From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPDec 31, 1994 7:36 AM
It's less surprising when you consider that Mehdi Ali appointed the trustees. 🙁 Steve
#180360From: J Saperstein/FontBankDec 31, 1994 12:30 PM
"It's less surprising when you consider that Mehdi Ali appointed the trustees. :-(" Are you sure it wasn't the Bahamian Court who appointed the Trustees? I don't know how it works in the Bahamas, but in the US, it's the Bankruptcy Court that chooses the Trustees. Be pretty foolish for any jurisdiction to allow the the petitioner in bankruptcy to choose them.
#180366From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPDec 31, 1994 2:03 PM
I'm going by reports here. However, it wouldn't surprise me, considering the other differences between the US and Bahamian courts.
#180411From: Jim ButterfieldJan 1, 1995 12:03 PM
A pretty good source told me some time ago that Franklyn Wilson was appointed on Mehdi Ali's recommendation. I guess that's not quite the same as saying that Mehdi Ali appointed FW, but it's easy to see how it could mentally translate into that.
#180418From: J Saperstein/FontBankJan 1, 1995 1:21 PM
"A pretty good source told me some time ago that Franklyn Wilson was appointed on Mehdi Ali's recommendation." I certainly can't speak about it within a framework of Bahamian law, but in the United States, that would have triggered an immediate flurry of lawsuits forcing the removal of the Trustee. We're not dealing with unsophisticated creditors here (i.e., Prudential). But at this point, the horses are long gone and it's far too late to lock the barn door.
#180501From: Jim ButterfieldJan 2, 1995 10:20 AM
I wonder. The Bahamian court appointed Frankyln Wilson; the fact that the name was suggested by our hero, Mehdi Ali, is incidental. At that time, FW was an employee of a respected accounting firm. Seems unlikely to me that a beef could have been raised then. Later, when FW departed from his firm but remained as liquidator, a lot of questions might have come to mind… But as you said, the horses are long gone from the stable. At least, the front ends of the horses are gone ….
#180601From: SyndesisJan 3, 1995 4:59 PM
Ah, the Amiga book. I'd toyed with the idea, except every time I thought about it, I'd realize the story has no ending, no moral, no lesson. A story that technologists can't manage companies? A story that greedy investors can parlay any company into an extended stock scam to siphon the cash for the high life? A story that cool technology doesn't win over safe but stolid? There's no story that hasn't been heard before… Is it a story of general interest? Would PC owners buy the book, or would you just sell a copy to Amiga-heads? The closest I came to enlightenment was a realization that Amiga users and developers were like someone who managed to travel backwards in time by five to ten years… and when you tried to show the local yokels all your nifty gizmos from the future, they weren't impressed, and said "why would you want to do that?". 🙂
#180651From: J Saperstein/FontBankJan 3, 1995 11:28 PM
"Is it a story of general interest?" Probably not. More likely to interest students of business, I would guess. It's not often that a company falls so far, so quickly. But unlike Osborne, Kaypro and other past failures, it sure didn't make much of a wave in the news. Personally I'm fascinated by the final chapters with only a couple of second-stringers trying to acquire the technology and residue of the Commodore estate. Jerry
#180691From: SyndesisJan 4, 1995 10:13 AM
Sometimes I think that we should regard Commodore as a company that happened to have a big, faddish hit – the C-64 – and never quite hit another home run, like the company that made the Pet Rock.
#180701From: J Saperstein/FontBankJan 4, 1995 12:21 PM
"Sometimes I think that we should regard Commodore as a company that happened to have a big, faddish hit – the C-64 – and never quite hit another home run, like the company that made the Pet Rock." Sounds like you hit the rock right on the head. <G> Jerry