Rock polishing
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I would like to know if anyone can tell me what abrasives are used in those
small rock tumblers (polishers). I have a small one and want to make a larger
one, but the composition of the various abrasives is not written on the small
packages. Any other suggestions on rpm, cooling etc. would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Alex
Hi, Alex–
Welcome to the forum!
>> I would like to know if anyone can tell me what abrasives are used in those
small rock tumblers (polishers). I have a small one and want to make a larger
one, but the composition of the various abrasives is not written on the small
packages. Any other suggestions on rpm, cooling etc. would be appreciated.
Keep watching this space; while I have not used a tumbler, there are others
here who have. They may all be away from their computers during this holiday
period. I am repeating your message to make sure they see it when they get
back.
–Doug
Hello Doug,
I have been lurking in this forum for a few months and find it very
interesting. It rekindled my childhood interest in rock/mineral collecting and
that is why my wife bought me a rock tumbler. Of course now that I am an adult
I MUST have bigger toys, and of course I MUST design it myself! <g>
Alex
Alex…
Silicon carbide in screened grits is the most common "grinding" compound…I
most often used three: a combination 60/90 for initial grinding; 220 for a
secondary grinding; and 500/600 for "prepolish".
There are a great many polishing approaches depending on what you're tumbling.
I've tumbled agate and jasper for the most part.
Cerium oxide together with some liwuid dish soap is a typical polishing
substance, most often used in conjunction with plastic spheres or other types
of "buffering" objects (walnut shells). All these compounds are available at
lapidary supply stores.
There are a number of books about tumbling which go into some detail about
tumbling speeds and types of rock which can be mixed in the tumbler (they must
all be of nearly the same hardness). One that I particularly liked is buried in
the garage at the moment and the title escapes me; I just saw it listed in LJ
or Rock & Gem but for the life of me I can't find the listing right now. If you
ask at a lapidary supply store I think it has a white cover with a variety of
tumbled stones depicted.
Typically, cooling isn't an issue with tumbling because the movement inside
isn't fast enough to generate much frictional heat.
There are nearly as many tumblers as there are backyard engineers. Everything
from old automobile tires set on turning rollers to cement mixers have been
successfully used.
Be aware that the tumbling process does produce gases that can build up
pressure and in large (commercial) operations have been know to burst the
tumbling barrel.
-Russ
PS What I ended up with was a "system" of three tumblers. A 10# unit for rough
grind. A 6# unit for medium; and a 3# unit for polish…I found that I was
sorting a 10# batch and getting about a full 6# "load" that I wanted to advance
for the next phase. Then I'd refill the 10# barrel with the remaining stones
from the old batch plus new rocks to fill it back up…When the 6# batch was
done it usually yielded about one 3# load for polish. Eventually, I had all
three going most all the time.
Hi Russ..
Have you had a chance to compare the surfaces of polished stones compared to
natural gravel found in deposits other than streams and beaches?
I have done quite a bit of comparison and found some amazing differences in
the surfaces and was wondering if anyone else has.
Kamron
Kamron…
I'm not sure I understand where you're headed with your question…
There are certainly considerable differences among polished stone surfaces; and
I tend to "study" the surface of rocks anywhere I go (g). Be it the beach,
stream beds, alluvial fans, chapparal (gravity tumbled surfaces?). There are
surfaces that "face" naturally because a stone fractures on crystal planes or
fractures concoidally (agate, jasper, opal). Jade takes a moderately nice
"natural" polish because it is both hard and "tough" (intertwined molecular
structure as opposed to crystaline).
What kind of differences are you refering to?
-Russ
Hi Russ!
Thanks for the response
>> What kind of differences are you referring to? <<
First let me define "virgin Gravel"…a rounded shape stone that has not been
tumbled or abraded in a stream or river.
I have a theory that this virgin gravel which covers the earth in deep beds
was created by the earth expelling molten materials into the air where they
cooled into globular shapes.
I have studied the surfaces of virgin gravels found that the surfaces have
features that IMHO could not be formed by friction and grinding….let me
explain…
Using tumbled polished stones as a baseline on what the surface of a ground
gravel looks like i have found that While the surface features vary depending
on the density of the stone and the polishing sequence they all have something
in common … a curved surface plane that appears smooth. When examined closely
under 10x to 40x power the surface plane is seen to include pits, scratches
and rounded projections but all the features are in the curved plane.
Virgin gravel on the other hand has an extremely complex surface. There is no
curved plane or with none of the scratches and gouges that are found on
polished stone. Instead there are glossy mirrored finishes, perfect crystalline
forms, cavities with feathery crystal growths and surface textures which to me
appear to be that of a cooling molten surface that shrinks into an orange peal
type structure. In short completely different than the stone polished or beach
type gravels.
I was wondering if you have had occasion to examine virgin gravel…and if no
would you? Compare the surfaces of polished stones to the virgin gravel. They
are completely different.
Kamron
Kamron…
Thanks for the response, now I understand better what you're interested in.
No I haven't studied gravels in the way you describe…they do sound quite
spectacular but I must confess my plate is running over with opal-related
interests and metalsmithing (which has somehow meandered to a back burner
itself).
-Russ
Oh I know about plates…
If you get the chance collect some of this virgin gravel and compare it to
tumbled gravel and get back to me…
Note that a couple of peeks at the surface of virgin gravel could change
how you think about the earth.
Kamron
Russ,
Thank you for the very informative information. I will first track down one of
these books and then off to the lapidary supply store (hopefully there is one
in Long Island,NY).
<<Everything from old automobile tires set on turning rollers>>
Now that's creative!!
Cheers,
Alex