CompuServe Thread

HardFrame+Supra 14.4K

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#45466From: Michael MarykaOct 13, 1992 9:22 AM
Hello R. Simonsen Good to see that you are now providing support here on CIS; more people have access to CIS than Bix. I have been using your Hardframe (version 1.9 ROM) and Quantum 105s HD in my A2000 (no accelerator ;^( ) for years now and have been very happy with it. I just purchased a new SupraFAX 14.4K V32bis fax modem and was sure surprised when I tried downloading (serial port set for 19,200) at full speed and saving to the Hard Drive. Every thing was fine until JrComm or NComm 2.0 wrote to the HDrive. I then got CRC errors from the ZModem protocol. Sure enough I looked back thru your docs and found the problem alluded (sp) to in the "DMA Conflicts" section. I have discovered that GVP has a patch for their Series II SCSI adapater the help reduce the problem. The GVP patch "Transparently splits large Data blocks into smaller ones while the Serial.device is in use" to reduce Buss tie up's. Do you have a similar path pgm?? If not perhaps you might consider writing one; especially with the price of 14.4K modems becoming so low; I expect more people will run into this problem. (I realize most of the problem is due to Commodores poor serial hardware and not a problem with the HardFrame. Do you know of any 3rd party Serial Boards other than ASDG's and what speed they might run at with the "DMA Conflicts. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks — Mike —
#45560From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsOct 16, 1992 2:02 AM
It is a known problem that we've attempted to fix by twiddling with the HF driver code so far to no avail. Try reducing the Max transfer value to some smaller value (a multiple of 512). –Redmond
#45588From: Michael MarykaOct 17, 1992 1:14 AM
Redmond, I can get it to work with a Max Transfer of 1024, down from 130K; but that drops my disk speed down from 500K+ to about 100k ;^( HARDLY an acceptable solution. It's like driving your sports Car down the highway in 1st GEAR!!! I see GVP has a patch pgm for their Series II scsi that automatically reduces the amount of bytes transferred at a time when ever the serial.dev is active at the same time. Would it not be possible for you to do the same thing? Were you able to at least partially solve the problem with your driver code twiddling? Even if I had to reduce my transfer rate by say 1/2 that might be acceptable. I can dl to floppy or Ram: disk (yech!!!) but if I decide to run a BBS I have to go to a Hard Drive, and the benefit of your speedy HardFrame is lost. Would adding one of your VXL*30 accelerators solve the problem? Does a faster CPU leave more time for the HD DMA cycle and would I need the extra RAM-32? Thanks –Mike–
#45608From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsOct 17, 1992 1:44 PM
An accelerator wouldn't do much to alleviate the problem. Joanne Dow (who I see is on CIS) maintains the HardFrame driver for us and she could give you a better explanation of the difficulty of changing the driver to avoid serial i/o contention. The easiest solution would be to use an ASDG serial card for your modem. –Redmond
#45756From: Michael MarykaOct 21, 1992 1:12 AM
I'll drop Joanne Dow a note and see what she has to say. It is a SHAME though that you seem to have GIVEN up on support for the HardFrame. When I was looking for a HD controller I looked at Supra, GVP and the others and decided to pay a PREMIUM and purchase yours because I felt that it was superior to the rest. I realize that it is hard sometimes to compensate for others shortcomings (IE Cltd's poor serial port design) but if you want to sell products they have to work with the existing hardware. GVP had the same problem and were able to come up with a patch pgm to lessen the impact. I applaud your release of a PD memory test pgm. Something that has been lacking in the Amiga area. I would however be more than willing to pay for an upgrade to my HardFrame that would help the serial problem and I am sure others would also. We realize it takes time and money to keep a product updated so don't expected unlimited upgrades. Perhaps there are just not enough Hardframes out there to make it worth your effort (appears to be the case) Anyway thanks for listening. Talk to you again soon. — Mike —