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#BB in the A3000

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#40035From: Bruce HoinsNov 9, 1991 8:33 AM
To anyone, I have a A2286 bridgeboard in my A2000 and was wondering if there are any problems moving it to my A3000 and sticking a IBM 1.44 meg drive in the 3 1/2 inch bay of the A3000. I use it only for work related text intensive applications so I don't plan on adding much to it in the way of expansion cards. Does the software run on a A3000 under 2.0 or did C= violate its own rules and write funny things into the software. Is the cable I'll require a standard IBM drive cable? Thank you. Bruce H. -Via Whap!
#40066From: Steven D. KapplinNov 9, 1991 4:12 PM
Bruce, I don't think the BBs work in the 3000. It doesn't have bridge slots, I believe.
#40074From: Michael GerardNov 9, 1991 5:25 PM
Steve: That is 100% absolutely not true. The 3000 has the same BRIDGED slots as the 2000 series. The 3000 series machines have one FEWER PC slots available when set up with a bridgeboard. The 'hassle' comes when you want to use an XT bridgeboard in a 3000, and that is because the 5.25" floppy that comes with the XT BB will not fit alongside the internal 3.5" Amiga floppy, so you need to mount either the XT 5.25" pc drive or your Amiga 3.5" floppy externally. – Whapping from the North Coast Michael
#40113From: Steven D. KapplinNov 9, 1991 10:34 PM
Michael, I stand corrected.
#40084From: Steve AhlstromNov 9, 1991 7:08 PM
Steven, That is incorrect — bridgeboards work just fine in 3000s. The limiting factor is that there are only 2 IBM slots and you'll have to install the 5.25 floppy externally. -sja
#40114From: Steven D. KapplinNov 9, 1991 10:34 PM
Steve, I stand corrected.
#40106From: Bruce HoinsNov 9, 1991 9:36 PM
Steve, It has bridge slots (two of them). That just means that it is more difficult to add IBM cards. Personally I think that the IBM is an overpriced piece of junk and the software is very expensive for what you get but I'm in the Army and the Army uses the IBM exclusively (well almost) so I need some compatability. I don't need to add much so the lack of slots isn't worrisome. Thanks anyway. Bruce H. -Via Whap!
#40110From: Alex BakerNov 9, 1991 10:07 PM
The 3000 does indeed have BB slots. I haven't moved my bridgeboard over to the 3000 yet, because Commodore so thoughtfully put seals on the 3000, open it up, and poof! the warranty is gone. Can't say as to whether or not the 1.44 will work without a hitch. The AT Bridgeboard is supposed to support it. (Mine is still in my 2000, and I only used the 1.2. The only other problem is that the 3000 only has two Bridgeboard slots. Which leaves VERY little room for expansion. – via Whap!
#40115From: Steven D. KapplinNov 9, 1991 10:35 PM
Alex, I stand corrected.
#40119From: Don Curtis/SYSOPNov 9, 1991 11:09 PM
Bruce, Yes…the A2286 BB does work on an A3000 with one note of caution… You have to set the CPU to not cache data via the CPU (or older SetCpu) command. No idea on the 1.44Meg drive, but I see no reason why not unless the FDC chip on the BB won't handle it. Perhaps someone else could give you a definate answer on that one. Don
#40127From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiNov 9, 1991 11:43 PM
Don, Actually, Commodore now suggests A3000 Bridgeboard users put an ENFORCER QUIET command in their startup. Then you can leave caches on and not bog down the whole machine. ENFORCER QUIET will cause the Bridge not to be cached, but everything else to be. …Denny Atkin
#40142From: Don Curtis/SYSOPNov 10, 1991 2:42 AM
Denny, Actually…that's true, I forgot about it, and that they now include Enforcer on the install disk. Don
#40241From: Bruce HoinsNov 10, 1991 10:28 PM
Denny, Where do I find this command? Is it somewhere I missed in my 2.0? Bruce H. -Via Whap!
#40253From: Don Curtis/SYSOPNov 11, 1991 12:04 AM
Bruce, Enforcer is on the Install disk. Don
#40238From: Bruce HoinsNov 10, 1991 10:14 PM
Don, Thanks for the quick response. I have to slow down my system? That's not good news. Is there a way to disable the board at boot short of unpluging it? Bruce H. -Via Whap!
#40248From: Don Curtis/SYSOPNov 10, 1991 11:57 PM
Bruce, Actually, no…you don't have to slow down your system. All you have to do instead of turning off the cache…is to run enforcer in the quiet mode before you boot the bb. That'll allow the BB's use while not slowing down the rest of the system. You can disable the board by simply not calling BindDrivers so the driver never gets loaded. Don
#40524From: Bruce HoinsNov 14, 1991 7:04 AM
Don, Thanks. That is a relief. Well I guess I'll go buy a 3.5" drive. Is there a useful purpose that this 5.25 drive can serve for my Amiga or do I just store it? Bruce H. -Via Whap!
#40625From: Don Curtis/SYSOPNov 15, 1991 1:16 AM
Bruce, there's no real use for a 5.25" drive in an Amiga other than for reading or writing MS-DOS disks. Don
#40738From: Betty Clay/SYSOPNov 15, 1991 11:03 PM
Oh, I don't know, Don. I find them very useful for reading Commodore 64/128 disks, using Disk-2-Disk from Central Coast Software. Betty
#41087From: Bruce HoinsNov 19, 1991 6:50 AM
Don, I know but I don't like just puting it in storage. Bruce H. -Via Whap!
#40251From: Don Curtis/SYSOPNov 11, 1991 12:00 AM
Bruce, Oh…by the way, as long as you don't open a PCWindow, even if you do "bind" the BB, you won't have any problems. My BB is booted every time I boot the machine…but I only use it on occasion. The only exception to this would be if you're using a portion of your Amiga drive for an MS-DOS boot drive. Then during bootup…it'll access that drive. But once the BB's done booting…it simply sits there doing nothing, and taking up no resources other than it's autoconfig space. Don
#40203From: John GagerNov 10, 1991 6:41 PM
I currently have an XT-BB in my 3000 and it works fine. Also added a 3 1/2 Chinon drive to the other drive bay and connected it up to BB, works great also. But be sure to get a drive that has a similar eject button as your regular Amiga drive. I bought the drive from Safe Harbor, so you might give them a call. And you will have to use a different cable other than a standard IBM cable. Also had a 2286 Bridgeboard in the 3000 until I had to sell it with my 2000 system, So despite some of the horror stories you have heard about the Bridgeboard not working with a 3000, well as Anna Rosanna Danna used to say, "Nevermind". 8^) P.S. The BB works OK with 2.04, except you will have to use "CPU NoDataCache" in your startup sequence, or better yet, "Enforcer QUIET" before the Binddrivers command. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#40237From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiNov 10, 1991 10:11 PM
What's involved with hooking up a 720K drive as the A: drive with an XT Bridgeboard? Can it be done? Will it boot a 720K disk, or do you have to have that DRIVEPARM line to make that work? Although I guess ARead and CrossDOS would make the Amiga's DF0: fairly useful for transferring files from 720K disks anyway… …Denny Atkin
#40287From: RON TROYNov 11, 1991 3:45 PM
I have a MAST floppy drive used as drive B:. It requires a driveparm line, and must have any noclick hardware defeated. I kept the regular A drive. Ron
#40344From: John GagerNov 12, 1991 1:04 AM
Denny, if you use a standard Amiga drive for the A: drive, you do have to change one of the connectors on the cable that plugs into the drive. I believe standard IBM drive connectors are the "Edge" type. And you do have to change the CONFIG.SYS file to add the DRIVEPARM statement so that it will recognize it as a 720K drive. Other than that, not really much involved. Seems to work just fine and a nice way to add a internal IBM drive for the 3000/Bridgeboard. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#40352From: Paul ToalNov 12, 1991 3:52 AM
John, does this mean that my BB can work with 3 1/2 inch IBM disks? Is it possible to not have to deal with those little miserable 5 1/4's? Paul –pt–not seattle– 😉
#40490From: John GagerNov 13, 1991 10:14 PM
Yes, you can easily use a 3 1/2 drive in the 3000, or 2000. Just get a standard 3-1/2 Amiga internal drive, change the connector on one end of an IBM cable, and add one line to your CONFIG.SYS file on your IBM side. Works great and sure beats the He** out of a kludgy 5-1/4 external drive, IMHO 8^) John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#40518From: Paul ToalNov 14, 1991 3:34 AM
A happy camper is I 🙂 Thanx. Paul –pt–not seattle– 😉
#40634From: John GagerNov 15, 1991 2:39 AM
Your Welcome! See my message to Michael Gerard for more details on the internal BB drive. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#40658From: Michael GerardNov 15, 1991 9:36 AM
(forwarded to Paul Toal) 6#: 40633 S12/Bridgeboard/AMAX 15-Nov-91 03:38:58 Sb: #40552-BB in the A3000 Fm: John Gager 71336,624 To: Michael Gerard 75505,1757 (X) Maybe I should start selling a Bridgeboard internal drive kit, considering how much correspondence I've received lately 8^) Yes, you can mount a 3.5" drive in the other drive bay in your 3000 and use it with the BB. You will need to get a 3.5" internal drive for the 3000, and I bought mine from Safe Harbor. It's the AIR A3020 drive, and you can probably get it from other mail order outfits also. You will also need to change the connector on the drive cable to a standard ribbon cable connector to match the new drive because the 5.25" drive uses the card-edge type. Once you get the hardware hooked up, all you have to do is add a line to your CONFIG.SYS file on the IBM side: drivparm =/d:0 /f:2 And that should do it. Works just fine except that now the other drive bay is filled I can't use it for another 3.5" Hard drive or floppy. Not a big deal since I have an external SyQuest, and don't need another 3.5 floppy that bad. John – K7KB (via Whap!) – Whapping from the North Coast Michael
#40552From: Michael GerardNov 14, 1991 11:00 AM
John: Sorry for asking you to repeat stuff, but I just caught the middle of this thread… Are you saying that you can replace the 5.25" drive on an XT BB with a 3.5" drive that mounts internally? If so, could you describe this to me in a bit more detail (I have an A3000 and an XTBB, and I don't realy want to remove my internal Amiga 3.5" drive, or try to mount the 5.25" BB drive externally if I can avoid it). Thanks, – Whapping from the North Coast Michael
#40633From: John GagerNov 15, 1991 2:38 AM
Maybe I should start selling a Bridgeboard internal drive kit, considering how much correspondence I've received lately 8^) Yes, you can mount a 3.5" drive in the other drive bay in your 3000 and use it with the BB. You will need to get a 3.5" internal drive for the 3000, and I bought mine from Safe Harbor. It's the AIR A3020 drive, and you can probably get it from other mail order outfits also. You will also need to change the connector on the drive cable to a standard ribbon cable connector to match the new drive because the 5.25" drive uses the card-edge type. Once you get the hardware hooked up, all you have to do is add a line to your CONFIG.SYS file on the IBM side: drivparm =/d:0 /f:2 And that should do it. Works just fine except that now the other drive bay is filled I can't use it for another 3.5" Hard drive or floppy. Not a big deal since I have an external SyQuest, and don't need another 3.5 floppy that bad. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#40656From: Michael GerardNov 15, 1991 9:17 AM
Thanks for repeating yourself John 🙂 – Whapping from the North Coast Michael
#40239From: Bruce HoinsNov 10, 1991 10:14 PM
John, Thanks for the quick response. I can't believe I have to slow down the system to plug this board in. So C= didn't follow their own rules. I was afraid of that. Is there a way you know of to disable the board at boot without unpluging it every time I don't want it (which is quite often). Bruce H. -Via Whap!
#40345From: John GagerNov 12, 1991 1:05 AM
Bruce, if you use the ENFORCER QUIET command, then the system doesn't slow down any. I shouldn't have even mentioned the CPU NoDataCache, so don't use it 8^) You don't need to activate the BridgeBoard every time you boot. In fact, I've got mine on a script using ICONX so that it only activates the BB whenever I want it to. Here is the script I'm using: C:Enforcer Quiet C:BindDrivers C:Run > NIL: SYS:PC/PCDisk C:Run > NIL: SYS:PC/Services/TimeServ C:Run > NIL: SYS:PC/AMouse C:Run > NIL: SYS:PC/PCWindow "SYS:PC/PC Color" C:Run > NIL: SYS:PC/LPT1 After you have created the above script using a text editor, and saved under the filename "Bridgeboard", create or use a PROJECT icon making the Default Tool "IconX". Then what you need to do is go into your Startup-Sequence and remove the BindDrivers command, and others that start up the Bridgeboard. Keep in mind that if you have a Hard Drive that requires a Binddrivers command, you cannot delete it from the Startup-Sequence. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#40525From: Bruce HoinsNov 14, 1991 7:04 AM
John, Thanks. I guess I'll go buy a 3.5" drive and get off the A2000. Bruce H. -Via Whap!