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#R11c2 BUG VERIFY HELP

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#21631From: Joe MacRaeNov 23, 1991 2:19 PM
Mark, I tend to have bad feelings on this bug that you are claiming here because the DXF is Autodesk's utility. It would seem, on the surface, that the problem lies with the program on the RS/6000 not writing a compatable file for the DXF interface. But I have a suggestion. Did you try to import this DXF into a *NIX version of AutoCAD ???? This should clear up any problems with the <LF> and the lower case in the DXF initially, and if it doesn't, it would again point to the program on the RS/6000………(but you didn't want to hear that, did you ???) The next solution would be to write a little program to convert the <LF> to <CR><LF> and to convert the lower case to upper case to run on the DXF before importing it to DOS ACAD. If this clears up the problems, you got the answer, but I really have a feeling that this won't do it.
#21693From: Mark W. Burns – TKLP IncNov 23, 1991 11:40 PM
Papa, You are correct in pointing out the fact that the AES DXF translator does not produce a "correct" DXF file. It has *many* *many* bugs, and for that reason it did not pass our evaluation tests. Accordingly, we did not purchase it. Regarding testing the problem files with *NIX ACAD, I cannot (no access to *NIX ACAD), however, upon receiving my bug report, the Spiker himself repeated my testing on ACAD 386, ACAD 286, and ACAD on the SUNs, and he reported back to me that R11 failed on both the DOS 386 version, *and* the Sun version. The 286 version of R11 did NOT fail, but it also did not indicate the initial error messages at all. He did not elaborate on what this might imply about the AUDIT function's state of repair for the 286 version. See my last messages to Duff and Larry Beck for more info on this. Cutting to the chase, it's *very* unlikely that we'll see an R11c3 because of *this* bug…unless Adesk is suddenly deluged with many folks complaining about it. Which is kinda doubtful – to say the least <grin>. BTW, did you try it for yourself? Oh, and as I said to Duff, the <CR><LF> stuff wasn't a problem because the Tech support fellow massaged them into shape before I even tried to bring them into R11/386 <dos>. There's no doubt that there's a bug in the AUDIT function, but we're unlikely to see it addressed until R12 rolls off the assembly line. Regards, Mark B.
#21707From: Duff Kurland [Adesk]Nov 24, 1991 9:10 AM
Mark – Just to be sure you're clear on this… THERE'S NO NEED to massage a Unix-style DXF file (or any other ASCII file read by AutoCAD) into DOS format for AutoCAD's sake. It reads all formats without the need for user intervention.
#21713From: Mark W. Burns – TKLP IncNov 24, 1991 10:27 AM
Duff, Yes, I did understood that from your first message. However, the need to fix errors in the DXF file in a DOS-based editor did/does make it necessary to massage the DOS <CR><LF>s into place. Perhaps, since *NIX-based ACAD can handle this anyway, the <CR><LF> scheme should, at least optionally, be output from ALL ACAD DXFOUT routines? just for DOS-compatability sake? Mark Burns – TKLP Inc.
#21770From: Tony Tanzillo [LISP TM]Nov 24, 1991 7:09 PM
Mark – Get an editor that can write files using LF's or CR/LF's. *NIX versions of AutoCAD write DXF files in the format that most *NIX text editors/processors expect them. -TonyT.
#21811From: Duff Kurland [Adesk]Nov 25, 1991 1:19 AM
Mark – Although AutoCAD can read ASCII files in any of the various end-of-line formats, it tries to be a good citizen, and writes such files using the conventions of the system upon which it's running. Unix style on Unix, DOS style on DOS, Mac style on Mac…
#21887From: Mark W. Burns – TKLP IncNov 25, 1991 12:49 PM
Duff, All I'm suggesting is *allowing the user the option to choose* which End-of-line format to create a DXF file with. I'm not asking you to change the default mechanisms that you already have in place…I think I know a little bit better than that by now…<grin> This would permit those users who work in multiple-OS enviromnents to have a little easier time of it when sharing DXF files across platforms. Don't change anything else <except the AUDIT bug> tho, OK?<grin> Regards, Mark Burns – TKLP Inc.
#21819From: Gale GormanNov 25, 1991 6:15 AM
Mark, From Xenix if I do a "doscp" (DOS copy) to send a Xenix ASCII file to a DOS box, Xenix adds "^M" for each <CR>. When I receive an ASCII file with all of those messy ^M's, they don't make any difference to Xenix but I use a global substitute in 'vi' to get rid of them. Gale
#21891From: Mark W. Burns – TKLP IncNov 25, 1991 12:49 PM
Gale, Did something I said strike close to a nerve, or are you just attempting to correct my ignorance on this general subject?<g> …and XENIX may very well be a bit better at handling the DOS-format files due to it's PC-based heritage (and long association with DOS files) I cannot be sure if the same general statements would apply to AIX or not tho…UNIX/XENIX/AIX is just not <yet> an area of significant expertise for me. I do intend to rectify that at some point tho. <but then we all know about "intentions" don't we?<g>> Mark Burns – TKLP Inc.
#22043From: Gale GormanNov 26, 1991 7:57 AM
Mark, I'm very sorry if my reply to you appeared hostile. I meant it to be only informational. My disappointment with the way Autodesk is treating the Xenix issue is spilling over into my typing. Gale
#22157From: Mark W. Burns – TKLP IncNov 26, 1991 8:58 PM
Gale! <grin> No…*I'm* sorry if it appeared to you that I took umberage!<grin> That last was *supposed* to have been in the nature of a "playful reposte." Alas, my inferior communications skills strike again… Believe me Gale, if I'm ever even slightly upset with ya, you can rest assured that you will know it!<grin> Also, keeping my own mindset in view here, I certainly am not going to be the first person to jump down somebody's throat because they espouse a viewpoint about an ACAD-related issue. I'm extremely aware that different people bring different viewpoints to a problem, and 90% of the time people's interpersonal misunderstandings stem in large part from at least one person's inability or unwillingness to see the same problem from another's perspective. Of course, that's just my opinion. I usually try to take what I believe to be the most constructive course in such situations – continue dialog in hopes of having both/all parties see the problem from all (known) angles. Then, hopefully, a method of addressing the problem can be found that meets the needs of everyone concerned. I certainly have no cause to be upset with you. Hopefully, the convers also applies. I am currently unaware of your SCO UNIX/XENIX concerns, but that area interests me. Could you give me a brief rundown of what your "bone of contention" with Adesk/SCO is? We may well find ourselves on common ground… Regards, Mark <the long-winded not-TM<grin>> Burns – TKLP Inc.
#22187From: Gale GormanNov 26, 1991 11:44 PM
Mark, The "bone of contention" is simply that Autodesk is just about to *finally* ship R11 for SCO UNIX and is ignoring SCO XENIX. My operating system "upgrade" will cost me more than the AutoCAD upgrade and the money is just the start of the cost. SCO UNIX is more difficult to manage and administer and SCO XENIX is better suited to a small concern. I'm normally a very happy sort so I suppose I need to just shut up and empty my pockets<g>. Gale
#22191From: David LovingNov 27, 1991 12:04 AM
Gale, Dos 5 is advertised in Egghead for $59. <grin, ducking, and running> Dave L.