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#3DS and Windows 4.0

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#66207From: Jim [PolyGone Cafe]Nov 12, 1993 3:00 PM
Oh please, don't send 3DS to Windows. There's just no reason to………… 🙁
#66304From: david W. mennenohNov 13, 1993 2:15 PM
Why not? I suppose you don't ever want or need to be able to use your machine when 3DS is rendering. I for one can't wait to be able to truly multi-task 3DS.
#66360From: Bailey BrownNov 13, 1993 11:22 PM
I hope this doesn't bring back too many bad memories, but you may want to have another go at OS/2 2.1. I have succeeded in rendering in the background under it.
#66597From: Lee EyermanNov 15, 1993 4:35 PM
I say keep 3DS in DOS!!! I have never seen such a stable program. I let the thing render for days and it never… never crashes on me. Who wants Windows screwing things up!
#66635From: Yost GroupNov 15, 1993 7:35 PM
Bless you. Can I save your message as a reply for anyone having problems?
#66902From: Doug AzzaritoNov 16, 1993 11:01 PM
Lee Eyerman says… > I have never seen such a stable program. I agree. I'm very impressed with the stability of 3DS. I have been able to lock it up (capping a loft of some text, but I haven't investigated enough to call it in), but compared to other software of 3DS's magnitude, this thing is a ROCK! Okay, I've swelled your head – now back to reality. Even though 3DS is extremely stable and powerful, I really hope you've got SERIOUS experiments going on with other platforms besides DOS. I'm using 3DS under OS/2, and it works fine, but what would life be like if you were using native 32-bit code instead of DPMI to get the tons of memory you need? It won't be long before we have PowerPC machines, and I just saw a demo in the Motorola booth comparing 2D rendering between PowerPC and a DX2. Of course PowerPC blew the Intel chip away. How easily will an OS/2 app move to PowerPC? I'm sure it'll be much easier than moving a DOS app! I keep trying to get Gary hyped about OS/2 – heck, I'll come out there and install OS/2 on your machines if you'll let me. It's the only way to see that the thing is for real! — Doug Azzarito
#66940From: Yost GroupNov 17, 1993 9:09 AM
You're preaching to the wrong boyo, Doug. With my Matrox board (and its lovely drivers) I can't even get 3ds to run inside Windows. Better wait for Gary to get back and hammer him again. Or, better yet, hammer at Autodesk. – J
#67054From: Schreiber InstrumentsNov 17, 1993 10:36 PM
Doug, 3DS is a native 32 bit program. It will use every bit of RAM you can stuff in a PC as flat memory. The Phar-Lap DOS extender "reboots" the processor into 32 bit protected mode. I am not looking forward to the time when 3DS is not a DOS application. With DOS, 3D Studio gets to use almost all the memory available unlike the memory hit a much larger operating systems gives you. The beauty of DOS lies in how efficent and fast in can be. None of the graphically multitasking operating systems can compete with DOS with a DOS extender. Keith.
#67128From: Yost GroupNov 18, 1993 10:25 AM
"The beauty of DOS…" Taken out of context, I never thought I'd see _that_ combination of words. <g>
#67289From: MICHAEL A. PONDNov 19, 1993 1:53 PM
Just following this thread… very useful comments guys… and some of the most humorous I have read for awhile thanks MP
#67562From: David PorowskiNov 21, 1993 11:12 PM
Interesting compliment to Microsoft (and Phar Lapp). The big question might be: "A port of 3D-Studio to WinNT would allow the use of faster (and maybe more) processors, such as NewTek's Screamer. Might that not provide a greater inducement than just having access to all available memory?" David P.
#67166From: krazy imagesNov 18, 1993 1:33 PM
clap, clap, clap 🙂 I have said that a dozen times. Full resources to your favorite 3d program. But we have to think in the benefits of a GUI operating system too. ana /krazy images
#67164From: Doug AzzaritoNov 18, 1993 1:27 PM
> Better wait for Gary to get back and hammer him again. Or, better > yet, hammer at Autodesk. I know – I'd love to pay you a visit and show you folks what you're missing. IBM did a visit at AutoDesk, and I begged them to make sure you guys were included, but apparently not. You can't get 3DS to run under Windows, so don't try. Install OS/2 on that machine (Matrox has OS/2 drivers, and 24bit color drivers in the works). Then you'll see what we're all so excited about! I thought when Gary disappeared a couple weeks ago he was planning to come out to Comdex to show off the new release – what happened? AutoDesk has a TINY presence here, but other CAD & rendering companies are all over the place. (has the new boss lady cut the marketing budget? 🙂
#67262From: Yost GroupNov 19, 1993 9:31 AM
I try not to deal with marketing and budgets. There's enough work involved in designing and documenting.
#67296From: Nik Grant [adesk]Nov 19, 1993 2:22 PM
I don't know about budgeting cuts, but Autodesk is usually not very visible at COMDEX. Usually the Retail Products has some showing, but mainly we're present as guests in other booths, like IBM's. Not easy to find in the catalog!
#67429From: James M. MurphyNov 20, 1993 4:16 PM
PMJI, I have a theory as to why Autodesk isn't a big presence at comdex. " It's Too Cluttered " The last couple of Comdex's I attended had people selling Bubble shaped Aquarium's for cris' sak! <BG> There doesn't seem to be any set rule to how big they want this event to be! Or to what market(s) this event is really addressing. I actually attended one year when the Soldier of Fortune people where having their little get-to-gether and was surprised to see guys in cammo gear selling electronic communications and listening devices…Spook-City! Give me a Break! What's next…I'm an old Harley Davidson Fan lets include the Latest Harleys! I'd go to see that!..Hey they got electrical systems don't they! <g> If something has a transister or runs on electricity it's in! I simply got tired of walking miles and miles trying to see the 4 or 5 vendors that were actually related to my portion of the business when I knew full well I would be mailed all the same information via U.S. Postal Carrier at the cost of a stamp verses my spending a fortune to fly in and get the same information. As a dealer I support the Autodesk functions and will attend an occasional SIGGRAPH for the related personal Associations but still don't feel I've missed anything if I'm not there. There are simply too damn many of these events anyway. If you check out all the Possible events that _could_ be related to your business you wouldn't be working at running your business 40 to 50 working days out of the year at a travel and room cost expense somewhere in the neighborhood of $32,000. Is it no wonder these "events" are becoming a lower prioraty. For what it's Worth-My personal Opinion. Murph'
#66740From: Bailey BrownNov 16, 1993 8:37 AM
I don't see any problem with leaving 3DS in DOS. As long as I can multitask it under OS/2, I'm happy. I would like to see a command line render-slave for other platforms, though.
#66405From: Michele BousquetNov 14, 1993 3:56 PM
I personally *never* need to render in the background. My meshes are always completely efficient with the fewest possible vertices so they render quickly, and they always render right the first time, so there is barely time for a coffee break and voila! My project is finished.
#66418From: Jim [PolyGone Cafe]Nov 14, 1993 4:41 PM
Personally I do make my meshes a tad overcomplicated, not too much so, just enough to sip down a cup of french roast. When I quit this coffe habit optimal meshes will follow 🙂
#66426From: Michele BousquetNov 14, 1993 5:20 PM
Oh you have just given me a great idea. Currently I live in this little beach cottage in a small community, and all the houses have names — Arcadia, Templeton, and the like. You know, kind of like "Tara" and "Twelve Oaks" but on a smaller scale. There's no name on this house, and even though I'm only renting I'd like to christen it. I toyed with "The Render Palace" but that's not really accurate. I do most of my heavy-duty rendering elsewhere. But "The Polygon Palace"…it has a certain ring, n'est-ce pas? We have a 3DS user group meeting coming up here in a few weeks, so I'd like to make a large banner and hang it up on the veranda. Should get the local tongues wagging. <g>
#66659From: Jim [PolyGone Cafe]Nov 15, 1993 8:50 PM
Sounds like a fine name for an animator's retreat. My partner, Kristine and I came up with the name for the company over breakfast at an IHOPS in Florida. Ah Florida, miss it dearly. Been out here in San Fran for 3 months and the southern strings are beginning to pull. I have never lived in a cottage but will be soon. The first week of December I'll be moving into a cottage in Arlington, VA. Looking forward to it. Much happiness in your newly christened "Polygon Palace".
#66417From: Jim [PolyGone Cafe]Nov 14, 1993 4:38 PM
Well I guess that is a matter of taste. I want multitasking 3ds also but the chip technology we use just does not cut it. RISC based concurrent processors have the edge on that (and my wallet to 🙂 ). We all work a bit differently. I'm comfortbale with rough stills and keyframer previews until production time and thats not much of a wiat. When its time for production my machine is completely dedicated, no HIMEM/EMM, no TSR's, zip….. I just let it rip and go play volleyball or something!
#66354From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Nov 13, 1993 8:23 PM
I'm with you Jim, keep 3DS out of reach of MS Overhead 3.1, 4.0, and NT. I might go for an OS/2 version though. I run everything, less 3DS, under OS/2 — and that may change if I buy a math co.
#66419From: Jim [PolyGone Cafe]Nov 14, 1993 4:47 PM
I agree. I am more apt to go with OS/2 but I'm willing to wait for the right technology. I don't load up my processor with anything but 3d necessities. I like the improvements in rendering speed with Rel 3 and I'm not about to hinder it. A better performance solution if you have an extra PC is a pier to pier lan where to machine can share the same 3d resources and stay CPU selfish.