#IPAS Compatibility
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When Studio eventually moves to a new operating system (NT,Windows 95,
etc), am I going to have to get all new IPAS Plug-ins? The
collection I have now has become much larger than I would have
expected 2 years ago. I am not looking forward to the logistics in
upgrading!!! If anyone official or unofficial could tell me?!
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no idea if Autodesk
will ever release a Windows32 version of 3DS. As you have surmised,
_if_ they do it may render your present IPAS routines unusable with a
Win32 app in their DOS protected-mode/Pharlap form.
I would just like to (very un-officially) say that, when I consider
my experiences with Autodesk, third-party groups, and the Yost Group
concerning 3DS and IPAS-related issues, I couldn't imagine any of
them not offering timely, reasonably priced upgrades to their IPAS
plug-ins should a Win32 version ever become a reality.
To do it any other way would simply not be consistent with the manner
of business I have become accustomed to, and I would be extremely
suprised if they didn't react in a reasonable, fair manner. Just my
.02$,
That's a very good question. Some companies (Autodesk included) have
maintained both DOS and Windows versions of their product. Autodesk has
already announced an arrangement with Silicon Graphics whereby the 3DS
render-engine will be ported to the SGI hardware. Again, there's the question
of IPAS routines being ported to SGI.
Arguably, the DOS IPAS and the Windows IPAS from any particular company are
separate products. You bought one for 3DS DOS and need to buy another for 3DS
Windows, especially if you have two licenses to 3DS at that point. It's also
arguable and/or possible that 3DS for Windows will be a direct upgrade from the
DOS version, and that you'd just need an IPAS upgrade. Argue away. 🙂
Except I can't imagine how they'll prevent you from running the old version at
the same time as the new version… Rainbow Technologies, the people who make
the dongle for 3DS, claim that the model of dongle used by 3DS is not
compatible with Windows or WinNT, so they'd need to change dongles, too. Maybe
a dongle-swap is planned.
One interesting possibility is that 3DS could switch to a Windows-like DLL
interface for all IPAS, since PharLap has a "DLL under DOS" technology. This
wouldn't be backwards-compatible, but it might lessen the strain on IPAS
developers, who could ship the same plug-in for both DOS and Windows versions.
John,
>>Arguably, the DOS IPAS and the Windows IPAS from any particular company are
separate products.<<
As far as seperate products, SGI and PC plug-ins I consider to be seperate
products. I have no problem purchasing seperate copies for an alternative
renderer. But I do have a problem of "a 3DS for Dos" and "a 3DS for Windows"
being considered a seperate product. I have no doubt the future operating
system for 3DS R? will be a Windows product. Forcing customers to pay anything
more than a maintainence price on the upgrade I feel is bad business.
Customers can't help that the operating system is changing. And if any of
those company are listing… " I will move on to your competition if you do
so! "
>> Maybe a dongle-swap is planned.<<
According to my dealer they thought about it on R4. As I understand it they
felt piracy was a large problem.
>>One interesting possibility is that 3DS could switch to a Windows-like DLL
interface for all IPAS,<<
I think Autodesk needs to hurry up and make those plans and inform their
developers/customers. By years end they are going to have serious competition
with Lightwave 3D. It will be interesting to see if either Autodesk or Newtek
end-up becoming the standard for 3D Plug-ins under Windows.
Thanks for the reply,
Scott Lunsford
Tennessee Production Center, Inc.
I think the key issue for any DOS-and-Windows product is whether the
company in question (be it Autodesk, Microsoft or Intuit) regards the
two products as separate, with separate markets and separate
developments. I can buy Quicken for DOS. I can buy Quicken for
Windows. If I upgrade from DOS to Windows, I still own only one
license of Quicken. Can I still run both?
Scott,
PMJI << I think Autodesk needs to hurry up and make those plans and inform
their developers/customers. By years end they are going to have serious
competition with Lightwave 3D. It will be interesting to see if either
Autodesk or Newtek end-up becoming the standard for 3D Plug-ins under Windows.
>>
I don't think there would be much competition with Lightwave being ported I
havn't seen anything great from Lightwave that beats 3DS. Also there are so
many ipas routines out for 3DS.
Mark
>>I don't think there would be much competition with Lightwave being ported I
havn't seen anything great from Lightwave that beats 3DS. Also there are so
many ipas routines out for 3DS.<<
Mark,
Look at the TV, Babylon 5, Sea Quest, Hercules and Robocop. 6 months from now
I'll contact you and see if you have change your mind. Don't get me wrong I
use 3DS full time, but I think competition is good. And, I am positive that
Lightwave 3D will be competition.
Scott
P.S. If you have a copy of the 3DS R2 Sig Graph tape you will see where Ron
Thornton tried 3DS for B5 prior to Lightwave.
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James M. Murphy
James Murphy Consulting.
>> I do not apoligize for coming back to you on the open forum like this
C'mon James! Why not keep the business as private e-mail. First, I don't
appreciate paying to read your business mail, and second, there are more
professional methods to collect debts without public humiliation of your
client.