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#Black Belt & ALADDIN 4D

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#48737From: LEXICOR SOFTWAREDec 21, 1992 3:18 AM
Ben, Just wondering if you new if there was a support are or topic dealing with the New ALADDIN 4D animation package? Or better yet do you know of any other Black belters who are using this application? Lee
#48756From: Black Belt SystemsDec 21, 1992 3:42 PM
Don't know a thing about it, sorry about that. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#48764From: Jonathan HirschmanDec 21, 1992 8:57 PM
Lee, I am using Aladdin (somewhat). Jonathan, via AutoPilot // Only Amiga makes \\// it possible…
#48792From: LEXICOR SOFTWAREDec 22, 1992 4:22 AM
JH, Well what do you think of it and have you done any animations with it yet? What system do you have and what other applications like Aladdin 4D do you have? Lee
#48834From: Jonathan HirschmanDec 23, 1992 2:45 AM
Lee, I have an Amiga 2000, 8megs fast ram, '28mhz '030, 50mhz '882. Real big hard drive…:) running under WB2.1, currently. My impressions of Aladdin…I think that the modeler stinks, period. Very counter-intuititive in many ways. I do not think that there is enough flexibility. I like everthing else, tho. For the most part, the rest is nice and easy, especially the animation features. I have done a few minor anims, nothing important yet. The texture features are great, too. If they would only get their modeling upgraded…yowzah! One other thing…the docs stink, especially their weird page numbering scheme. It renders the index useless. Since you guys are software publishers, I would love to hear what you think. Jonathan, via AutoPilot // Only Amiga makes \\// it possible…
#48835From: LEXICOR SOFTWAREDec 23, 1992 3:25 AM
JH, We have an A3000 with 18 MEGS of Ram, IVP-24 Craphics card, DC-TV and 125MEG HD pluss 44MEG Syquest on the SCSI line. I would have to agree about the manual, it is just about as bad as the Imagin manual. Where I get real critical is when an instruction is flat wrong or so poorly written that you are unable to make the tool or function operate. With respect to the modeler…thats a bit hard to say. I have heard many users both praise and condem a modeler. If you have a head for three dimentional visulation most modelers can be made to creat just about anything. We are currently moving our office so we havent had much time to use our copy. Right aftere Christmass/NewYear we will be moved and Have more time to work with the program. Lee
#48869From: Peter GreciDec 23, 1992 6:57 PM
Lee,What are you guys keeping tabs on the competition?Hows the SGI software coming along?
#48910From: LEXICOR SOFTWAREDec 24, 1992 5:09 AM
PG, What compatition? what Amiga products even begin to approach SGI animation applications? As you very well know I am always interested in user interfaces and how others approach solving problems of the animators vs the Programmers. the only way to do that is use as many different types of applications that do the same job. In this way we can avoid the really bad design approaches we see and better understand the thinking of good solutions. SGI is coming along fine we hope to be announcing a release date in Computer Pictures and Computer graphics this coming spring. BTW it is now possible to buy an IRIS INDIGO for less than an A3/4000 with Toaster and full Ram HD ect….:-) Computer graphics houses that once drooled over the AMIGA and Toaster are jumping to INDIGO at the Rate of 20 a day or so I was told by an SGI-based software rep last week. Sense we don't sell HWD and have no direct info on this it is hard to say how accurate the comment might be. I do know the price structure is correct how ever. How would you like to work in 1280X1024 True color all day? We do! Sleep Tight!! Lee
#48922From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPDec 24, 1992 8:57 AM
I'm curious about the IRIS INDIGO….how much is 3D software for that box? Steve
#48930From: Erik FlomDec 24, 1992 3:44 PM
Uh, last I heard WaveFront was selling for a cool $25grand. (Not including the hardware.)
#48946From: LEXICOR SOFTWAREDec 24, 1992 10:25 PM
Not these days, the prices have fallen through the floor. I know one new INDIGO convert that got a Full Wave front package including all the latest modules for inder $12K. This means that with the basic INDIGO he spent less than $20K for a system with 32Meg RAM, 450MEG HD running at 30MIPS+ and had a vull Video software thrown in to fill out the package. he has a complete Computer Graphics system, he can do independent jobs or do contract work for any major animation House in the country and be fully compatable. We have $18K invested in an A3000 with all the add on Ram, HDs Craphics cards Controlers and 3 Major Animation Packages. And as any AMIGA owner knows we don't have anything approaching 30MIPS in the system. Lee
#48979From: Erik FlomDec 26, 1992 5:05 PM
Wow. Maybe I'll move to the SGI, instead of MAc or IBM a year from now. I have used an Indigo, and they ARE a quantum leap above the Amig in system integration and performance! Thanks, Erik Flom
#48943From: LEXICOR SOFTWAREDec 24, 1992 10:15 PM
Steve, Depending on what you want to do it can go from on-line shareware to as much as you want to spend. The system comes with an application called "Showcase" which is a combo- WP using Post-Script fonts and which includes audio and Video applications to do sound and MIDI stuff/ and an Application called Media Mosaic, which has a real time capture in 24BIT with up to 1280X1024 in True Color, there is also a video(Movie) builder which produces .IMS files that can be run in real time on the monitor or through a Video Card. There are severl "film" players as well as tools for editing .IMS files. Of course you can do animations with this system. There are a fair number of exceptional Art and media applications that run in the 1 to 2 K price range. There are several new animation packages that produce commerical professional animations (3D) in the 3 to 12 K range. The real power is in the speed and the fact that the basic system has all the day to day tools you need and graphics cards are very inexpensive, even compaired to the AMIGA world. That and the fact that when you boot the system for the first time you are also compatable with nearily all high end systems in use today. Lee
#48972From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPDec 26, 1992 3:16 PM
You've pretty much confirmed what I expected….once you've got the basic system, you'll still have to invest a lot more money on the software in order to get the job done. The basic hardware is there, but the extra software adds up fast. Steve
#48997From: LEXICOR SOFTWAREDec 27, 1992 1:43 AM
Steve, Well that's a yes and no propasition, If you want to you can get an INDIG with a Full set of Professional software for as little as $16K. This is a package deal which will get better and better as the 93 season continues. It is alo true that you can spend way to much for software. It all depends on what you want to do and how you want to use your resources. Take me as an example, First I am an artist and animatior. Way back in 1983 I wone the First local TV EMMY for best Technical achievement, I used an 8Bit Computer as part of my work. Ever sense then I have been interested in the potential of the computer as an artist's tool. Now I have a very nice A3000 this Black belt/DCTV and other hardware like IVP24 Card. I also have all the major software like Imagine, ALADDIN 4D, Sculpt 3D, SILVER. ect and so on. In addition I have ATARI stuff and Silicon Graphics too. The reason for all this is to search for the kinds of tools to do the work I am interested in doing and producing the very best software possible. There is really no single set up or single machine that can do the best job, at least in animation. The proof of this is in looking carfully at what the professional houses do. You would be surprised how bad they dom some of their work can be and how much truly bad work goes on the cutting room floor. Often times it is because they just have one solution. In any case keep your eye on the whole graphics market for what you feel will be best for you. Lee /exit
#48775From: Robert CoatesDec 21, 1992 10:45 PM
Lee I use Aladdin 4D and would love to see some sharing of experiences and learnings. Still a beginner in the world of 3D but find this package very encouraging of budding ideas. —Robert—
#48793From: LEXICOR SOFTWAREDec 22, 1992 4:26 AM
RC, Well then we should start a topic on this application and begin. How about describing Aladdin 4D and what you have done so far. What about your out-put? DCTV, Single-frame ect? How do you like the modeler and the texture mapping? any problems with it? What other applications do you have and how do they compare with Aladdin 4D? I have the software and the hardware, but am in the process of moving my office so it will be several weeks before I am up and running again. Lee
#48960From: Robert CoatesDec 25, 1992 11:09 PM
I've done some flying logo type stuff for a video for my company. As well as played around with the typical SF type space scences. Am currently working on an office set animation for a marketing video. I output to DCTV usually a DCTV-3 as I have no single frame capability :-(. Record to Hi-8 then edit to VHS. The texture mapping I love and find pretty intuitive. The modeler is good in many respects but is missing some useful functions. Like the ability to multiple select individual points on a polygon and move them as a group. You have to move individual points or the entire polygon. I also wish there was a way to name groups and select them. The animation capabilities a very extensive. The rendering speeds are pretty good on my 2000 with GVP 030 at 40 board the great thing is it will render directly to DCTV or Opal so I don't have to wait for the entire frame to check changes. Just hit the escape key and E the return to editor to adjust and make more changes. It really encourages experimenation. Other software – Imagine 2.0 🙂 I just gave up on this one. And just bought a Toaster for Xmas so I'm looking forward to learning LW. But am going to miss the ability to render directly to my DCTV. BTW if you plan to use Aladdin I highly reccommend subscribing to the "Magic Lamp" newsletter. I was a Draw4D-Pro user and found the newsletter veryt helpful and well worth thge $36. Also if you can find someone with a Draw 4D-Pro manual it is much-much better than A4D for learning the modeler and basics thought the handling of attributes and textures has totally changed. —Robert—
#48961From: LEXICOR SOFTWAREDec 25, 1992 11:49 PM
Robert, Thanks for the comments, I have Draw4D pro and received the update. Thanks for the input. Lee