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#VOTE BEST/WORST CD-ROM

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#34751From: JAN SCHWENKDec 23, 1992 10:04 AM
There are some very good CD-ROM titles on the market, and there are some that aren't worth carrying home, let alone, paying for them. If you'd like to make your voice heard, please vote here. List your top ten and your bottom ten (and please make sure to say which is which). We will compile this information, post it back on CIS, and probably also get it published. (We will correlate the information with data that we are receiving from stores. We know which discs are selling the best but that might mean nothing more than that a lot of people are getting stuck!) If you have private comments, please E-Mail me. Otherwise, please put it here in this thread! LETS GO GET 'EM, TIGERS!
#34757From: Patrick KennedyDec 23, 1992 10:37 AM
I don't have 20 CD's, Top 10 + Worst 10, yet. :} I would like to vote the following however: TOP Microsoft Cinemania Just Grandma and Me Worst World Atlas (ToolWorks) My humble opinion.
#34776From: larry buckmasterDec 23, 1992 4:58 PM
BEST Computer Select (despite their boneheaded licensing schema and lack of graphics) Street Atlas (despite a few mistakes in the data) WORST CIA Fact Book (gimmee a break) Mayo CLinic Family Health Disc (on the order of "the lungs are in the chest, the bowels are in the abdomen) World Atlas
#34783From: Larry LandDec 23, 1992 6:06 PM
Jan…Let's see. Best: Microsoft Cinemania Microsoft Bookshelf/Word for Windows Library of the Future Worst: Timetable of History/Science & Innovation (horrid interface)
#34795From: Bill GrzanichDec 23, 1992 8:33 PM
We don't have that many, either, but my votes are: BEST: Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective Mega Demo 1 from Profit Press – very nice interface and a great deal. WORST: CD Game Pack II However, Christmas is close… who knows what we'll find under the tree!
#34906From: Sutjahjo NgaserinDec 25, 1992 10:55 PM
sorry to crash in, I think my old Microsoft Bookshelf is still the best and most utilised, I agree with the worst though, wonder why I bought it the first place
#34799From: Allen DietzDec 23, 1992 10:03 PM
Jan, here are my votes for top and bottom: Top (in no particular order): Microsoft Musical Instruments Microsoft Cinemania Microsoft Multimedia Beethoven Microsoft Word/Bookshelf Street Atlas USA Bottom: U.S. Atlas (Software Toolworks)
#34842From: Bob PierceDec 24, 1992 12:46 PM
Jan… I'm a new CDROM user. But Compton's Family Encyclopedia is a disappointment… The MM is a few notes in the margins you click on to get pix, sounds, or graphs. Carmen Deluxe is pretty tough. Nautilus is darned interesting. I'm enjoying this thread cuz I'm looking for some good disks. Bet there's alot of us out here…. waiting for this thread….
#34827From: CHUCK EGLINTONDec 24, 1992 6:04 AM
Maybe another way to do this BEST/WORST thing is to have people list all the CD-Discs they own, and issue a rating of 1 to 10 for each one. That way, you can compile all the numbers and get an idea of each participant's view and tastes. You might also find people to write reviews of discs they own that you haven't already found authors for.
#34882From: JAN SCHWENKDec 25, 1992 11:46 AM
Chuck, Good suggestion! (Actually, we have been asking authors to write reviews on discs they already have, for some time now. We immediately send them a new disc for the article ((and invite them to write a review on that also)) ). Jan
#34911From: Stephen PottieDec 26, 1992 5:31 AM
Ok, I can't stand it any longer…here's my list (Rating 1 – stinks to 5 Excellent) Good music while I compute 5 Carmen Sandiego 4 New Grolier Multimedia 3 (nice improvement over last year) Great Cities of World Vol1 -5 (ugliest program in history) Great Wonders of World Vol2 2 Sherlock Holmes 2 – 3 Beethoven 5 (addictive) Mammals 3 (next try will get higher marks) World Atlas 2 (fun in short bursts) Time Almanac whaaaat? 1 (imagine re-reading Time) Time Table 1 (great idea now do it faster ) Most wanted feature – decent printer drivers, like color and laser Most ridiculous feature – installation, I mean where do these people come from? Battle Chess 3
#34947From: Bruce De VriesDec 26, 1992 5:40 PM
Best: Corel Draw 3.0 on CD-ROM Map Expert (data accuracy could be better) Danger Hot Stuff (good quantity vs price ratio) GIF's Galore (5000 GIF's for under $30) Microsoft Bookshelf (mostly because of the World Almanac and quotations) Library of the Future Second Edition (reader has a minor problem) Worst: Phetheans Public Domain Library #1 (only salvation: King James Bible) <g> Stellar 7 (CD-ROM remake of a mediocre DOS game) Jones in the Fast Lane (good MM demo disk, but lousy game)
#34967From: James C WalkerDec 26, 1992 8:14 PM
Bruce, Is it a decent copy of the King James ? I've been looking for one on CD for searches…
#35010From: Bruce De VriesDec 27, 1992 5:05 AM
James, I have not analyzed the accuracy of the King James Bible on Phethean's Public Domain Library #1. I bought the CD-ROM for $10 at a swap meet. There is no search engine for the Bible on the CD-ROM. If you need it just for that you are better off getting a shareware Bible on floppy disk. There some excellent study Bibles on CD-ROM. Some include several versions of the Bible, study guides, decent search engines and even parallel display of different version. World Library publishes several collections of books on CD-ROM and they all include a King James Bibles and several other religious works. They have decent search engines and their cheapest with 150 books lists for $49.95.
#35015From: James C WalkerDec 27, 1992 8:25 AM
Bruce, I haven't heard of World Library. Do you have any vendors you prefer for them ?
#35026From: Bruce De VriesDec 27, 1992 12:48 PM
This particular CD-ROM is carried by Egghead. Note the other religious books are not other versions of the Bible, but include the Koran, Analects of Confucious, etc. My favorite vendor is the one that will sell it to me the cheapest. This is usually at swap meets.
#35063From: Steven ConradDec 27, 1992 7:08 PM
Bruce: Who does GIF's Galore? Thanks, sc
#35091From: Bruce De VriesDec 28, 1992 12:38 AM
GIF's Galore is published by Walnut Creek CDROM, (800)786-9907 or (510)947-5996 voice, (510)947-1644 FAX.
#34828From: CHUCK EGLINTONDec 24, 1992 6:04 AM
Hi Jan, Here are my best and worst: Best: (Not necessarily in this order) Comptons Encylopedia (9) Library of the Future (9) – 2nd Edition: (over 950 literary works on 1 CD) PC-SIG GAMES (10) – (Includes Wolfenstein 3D, Commander Keen, and others) Audubons Birds/Mammals (8) – The graphics are great. Could use more sound Worst: CIA World Factbook* (1) – Not enough substance for the price. You can get much of the same information in an atlas or encyclopedia. The info is in a text format that disallows any comparisons of facts. Software Toolworks Atlas (3) – It might be better if the maps would allow greater detail. My opinions & ratings of other CD-ROM DISCS I OWN: DEATHSTAR ARCADE BATTLES (6) – Good shareware value for the $20 price. TOO MANY TYPEFONTS (6) – Same as above CLIPART GOLIATH (4) – Some good clipart, some bad clipart. The editors were lazy and left in alot of junk and low resolution images. Still, it's better than searching for clipart on-line. MICROSOFT BOOKSHELF (8) – Good reference tool PHONEDISC USA (2) – The information is dated and many addresses are missing. FAMILY DOCTOR (7) – Good reference tool. SONY LANGUAGES OF THE WORLD (3) – It is a fine reference tool, but it is only a dictionary that does word-by-word translations. A better application would be a complete document translation program on CD-ROM.. I'd rather have "German document in… English document out." * You might remember that I wrote a review for you about the CIA World Factbook… The more exposure I get to other CD offerings, the less I like The world Factbook.
#34853From: Chris NessDec 24, 1992 5:15 PM
My best so far – Danger! Hot Stuff. Worst – unquestionably- "Mammals" no wonder they gave it away free with the drive – it only runs with the manufacturer's hardware (IBM/MS mouse for example)
#34854From: Paul MacDonaldDec 24, 1992 6:05 PM
Rated High: Buckmaster Radio Amateur Callbook (includes over 1,500 applications too) Street Atlas USA Audubon's Birds & Mammals (2 CD set) Rated Low: Book of Lists #3 (the lists are 11 years old) The most megabytes for the buck definitely does to Buckmaster!
#34896From: Chris NessDec 25, 1992 5:52 PM
This morning I unwrapped a copy of Beethoven's Ninth and I will add that to my list of the best (even if I haven't made it work through the soundblaster yet and can only use it through the headphone jack) I think I read every page of it and will again! I hope there will be a lot more of that type. I think a little more of showing the score as it played would be nice though. BTW, neither Soundblaster nor Microsoft really address making the midi work to any extent. The readme file on the cd-rom says to re-name midimap.cfg to midimap.win and re-name midimap.old midimap.cfg. For some reason I am not generating a midimap.old. I reinstalled both the Soundblaster stuff and the cd-rom stuff without any improvement. Anybody who has crossed this bridge before please respond!
#35040From: Harris LandgartenDec 27, 1992 1:53 PM
Try running control panel drivers add midimapper. Add SB 1.5. Then make sure the MidiMapper icon in control panel is setup for ADLIB. That did the trick for me. Hope it works for you.
#34920From: larry buckmasterDec 26, 1992 8:43 AM
Why THANK YOU. (no reation, however, that I know of)
#34858From: Norman MarcusDec 24, 1992 7:11 PM
The Multimedia Beethoven is great for someone like me who knows nothing about music theory and is happy to learn. I've been humming the ninth symphony all day!
#34876From: peter strandDec 25, 1992 10:26 AM
From my limited CD library–would vote for the following: Mega Movie Guide (for DOS) Would have bought Microsoft Cinemania but it's for Windows Only. Is there a DOS version? Toolworks Reference Lib. Timetables of History
#34889From: Farid Muakkassa, M.D.Dec 25, 1992 2:18 PM
The best MS Beethoven's 9th (10) MS Word/Bookshelf (10) Corel Draw 3.0 CD-ROM (10) New Grolier MM Encyclopedia (8) The Worst Mavis Beacon Teaches typing (5) Great Wonders of the World (5) Where in the World Carmen Sandiago (5) Guiness Book of World records 1992 (5)
#34912From: Stephen PottieDec 26, 1992 5:44 AM
Forgot, here's a few more Computer Select 4 much too expensive and silly LAN licence still used regularly, C'mon Ziff get real on pricing and sell zillions more Novell Prof Support 4 the only way to support Netware and stay sane Microsoft Publisher 5 Pagemaker for 90% of the world Compaq Support CD 4 good graphics and always with the esoteric tech details on Compaq Compaq ProSignia Demo 3 best product release on CDROM yet NEC FG Demo 3 great his res graphics to push FG series NEC titles for DTP 2 clipart is ok but low res on PCL5, forget the pictures, locking is silly – I mean who needs more drivers in your config.sys file Compton's 1 too old tech World Book on CDROM -2 c'mon guys, let's have some MultiMedia
#34900From: Stewart HuntDec 25, 1992 7:26 PM
Hi Jan, Don't have a best/worst list for you, but I was planning on posting a short review of "Berlitz Think And Talk – Spanish" cd-rom I just got. Have just tried it briefly but it seems pretty slick. About 8 cd-rom disks for $ 125 mail order, the first disk is programs/dictionary and the rest are lessons, 60 in all. Each lesson presents on-screen illustrations with accompmanying dialogue through headphones/speakers. Best part – no English-Spanish translation – you infer what is being said from the illustrations. The method is to listen to the dialogue several times, then proceed to pronunciation, reading, writing and other exercises. This is supposed to model learning the language as you would if you were a child first learning to speak. BTW, the product is made by HyperGlot and marketed by Berlitz. Windows-only. Regards, S.H.
#35117From: JAN SCHWENKDec 28, 1992 9:17 AM
Stewart, Hi! Thanks! Would very much appreciate your posting a review of the Spanish disc set. I had received a complete set from Berlitz and had sent them out to several people to review. Understand that the discs are great! I don't think any of the reviews are in yet, but they should be soon. I will be interested in seeing yours. BTW, if you not already signed up on our review program (pardon me if you are the little lady that handles that isn't here right now) we would like to have you. We will send you a CD-ROM disc of your choice to review. Let me know if interested. Rgds Jan
#34940From: Gary BauerDec 26, 1992 2:25 PM
Jan : Great idea – maybe this'll turn into a regular pre-Christmas event. Probably should start a little sooner – give the spouse a chance to react to my wish list <s>. CD Carmen [5] Great way to learn, but real tough to install. Inadequate documentation. Lots of hardware conflicts. Would be nice if it were an MM application – then you could check on other data sources to find out where an obscure place is. MM Beethoven [5] Super music teacher!! Still have a problem with MIDI settings. Inadequate documentation. Sierra King's Quest V [5] Great sounds. Good animation, only one problem (the tailor's needle). Raises the question of how to fix 'bugs' on a CD. Toolworks World Atlas [4] Needs more detailed maps – roads, towns, etc. Music playing problems although the voice comes through fine. Suspect a MIDI problem. Inadequate documentation Britannica Family Choice [4] Good intro for youngsters to PC learning games. Compton's Encyclopedia [4] Almost an MM application. Doesn't use Windows conventions for cut&paste. Sound problems. Inadequate documentation Mammals [3] An excellent example of one of the first generation of multi-media apps. Too bad there hasn't been another release. Inadequate documentation. All of the rest in my shoebox (great place to store them <s>) are text based apps that were promoted as MM apps with my CD bundle (Tiger Software). I don't use them any more. Monarch Notes [3] Guinness Disc of Records [2] The Family Doctor [2] US Atlas [1] World Fact Book [1] US History [1] Time Almanac [1] Toolworks CD Game Pack [1] With all of the space on a CD you'd think that you would find complete troubleshooting documentation – NOPE. Merry Christmas, and to all a good night.
#35008From: Jim ClementsDec 27, 1992 4:52 AM
Gary, let me jump in here if I may. Re: Your text based discs which you no longer look at. As chance would have it, I *like* text based programs and am not particularly wild about games. Perhaps we could work together like Jack Spratt and his spouse. I would be particularly interested in all but those on the last line of your list — US History, Time, Game Pack etc. I'm at the cottage at the moment, my CD-ROMs are at home so I can't give you a list of what I could trade but will do if you are interested. I have a number of discs, game and other that may interest you. For a variety of reasons I don't sell such things, but I would like to trade them. Cheers!
#35107From: Gary BauerDec 28, 1992 8:48 AM
Jim : Good to hear from a fellow-swapper. Yes, I'd be interested in a fair exchange for some of my unused CDs. I'm going to leave this on the public thread for a while longer. Maybe we'll start a swap meet <g>. The text based CDs tend to reference a larger base of info (I guess they're focused on content, not presentation). But, once you pick a standard, you should support it. Otherwise, it'll never get rolling. So MPC is a standard that I'm going to support. Now, if I can only get MMBeethoven to recongnize my CD player and MIDI player at the same time. Regards, Gary
#35133From: Jim ClementsDec 28, 1992 11:05 AM
Gary, in the spirit in which you feel (correctly, I believe) that this should stay in the public forum so we can see what develops, I am including some disks which I know you have. To swap: The Manhole, "A fantasy exploration for children of all ages." The Collector's Edition, Access Games — includes World Class Leaderboard with Famous Courses Volume 1, 2 and 3; Crime Wave, "Intense arcade action"; Mean Streets, "An interactive detective movie"; Echelon, "3-D space flight simulator" Time Magazine (1991) Magazine Rack PC-SIG 9 (shareware) Business Master and Education Master (both unopened), collections of appropriate shareware 1st Canadian Shareware Disc (shareware) Night Owl's 4 and 5 (2 very good shareware discs) [>> Continued in next msg]
#35134From: Jim ClementsDec 28, 1992 11:06 AM
[>> Continued from previous msg] World Atlas/USA Atlas Pack, Software Toolworks (I have a couple of these, all are unopened and unused. All have complete documentation, registration card and Software Toolwork's uncondition guarantee — if the disc doesn't work at any time, for any reason, return it for replacement!) Grolier/Software Toolworks Illustrated Encyclopedia (these are odd discs, again I have a couple. They are Grolier encyclopedias of course — Grolier and Software Toolworks have what they call "an alliance" — and these versions have sound and graphics. BUT the driver I was given by one of the largest CD-ROM vendors in Canada does not access them — so for most people these discs would only give the text. All for TRADE only. Sorry I'm not interested in getting into the sales arena.
#34989From: Eric P. RoseDec 26, 1992 11:16 PM
On a scale of 1 (worst) to 5 (best): (Hidden Gem, from Canada). Coreldraw world contest winners (on scale of 1 to 5, this disk is a 10!!!!). Comes with two glossy coffee-table books of the worlds greatest corel-draw drawings. Spectacular professional artwork, you won't believe it's corel draw! The CD includes every drawing in the two books. If you want to see some of the best computer artwork from 1990 and 1991 (one year for each book), send me E-mail and I'll dig out the address to get this spectacular CD-ROM collection. You need Corel Draw for Windows, 2.0 or 3.0 PC-SIG #10 Earns a 5. I never download utilities anymore. Doesn't contain wolfenstein, though. Printed 9/91 Family Doctor. 4, if you think you need it. My fiance unfortunately has rhumatoid arthritis, and this CD contains great info on almost any prescription drug on the market (among other useful info). very current, copyright 1991/1992 Coreldraw 3.0 5 This disc contains more clipart than you'd want to stick in a year of newsletters. So Much Shareware 3 Not as useful as PC-SIG #10, and cheesy interface. Bibles and Religion (Shareware collection by Chestnut). 3 Not as useful as I expected, better off getting Bible Library, IMHO. Dictionaries and Language (Chestnut Shareware collection). 2 I found only one program on this disk worth the registration price.
#35003From: Brian MuthDec 27, 1992 2:44 AM
Jan, I'm intrigued. Let me know where I can order those CorelDraw CD's …Brian
#35073From: Eric P. RoseDec 27, 1992 8:51 PM
These CD-ROM disks are direct from COREL Systems Corp. They are without question the greatest collection of computer artwork you can find for the common PC. If you can run Corel Draw, and own a CD-ROM, these two disks will offer endless fascination for you. Systems Corporation 1600 Carling Avenue Ottawa, Ontario Canada K1Z8R7 Tel: 613-728-8200 FAX: 613-728-2891 Ask for "Corel Artshow". The two I have are titled "Corel Artshow" and Corel Artshow 3", copywrite 1991 and 1992, respectively. I payed approx. $40 for both books. The coffee-table size books include the CD-ROM. WOW!
#35118From: JAN SCHWENKDec 28, 1992 9:17 AM
Brian, I think you intended to respond to Mr. Eric P. Rose's message (71221,2660). CorelDraw CD's are great, but I'll let Eric tell you where to get them. Rgds Jan
#35105From: Jonathan FastDec 28, 1992 7:17 AM
Good idea! We've only got two, but we love the Microsoft bookshelf and hate Composer Quest from Mr. T. software. It's written in toolbook, runs slowly, and crashes when you play the game. I'd be happy to write some reviews for you–I'm a professional writer as well as a computer junkie.