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#Pentium math

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#176800From: Russell WilliamsDec 8, 1994 1:25 AM
They may not be shipping in volume, but they are shipping. I was just bouncing over in the NewTek group, and there was discussion of how the Pentium bug would affect Lightwave. Frankly, there aren't many programs other than Lightwave that I'm worried about, since developers try to avoid floating point for performance. Anyway, one of the people there said that they had just purchased five new Pentiums, and none of them had the defective chip. Also, one of the NewTek guys chimed in to say that the algorithms Lightwave uses won't hit the Pentium math bug. If Lightwave's not going to hit it, I'm not that worried about the whole thing. Of course, I will be checking with Micron when I buy my machine to see what their policy is to replace the chip. While it may be an incredibly rare problem, I don't particularly won't to fork over 3,600 for a machine whose processor has "an incredibly rare problem." 🙂 -R
#176897From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPDec 8, 1994 4:53 PM
"..since developers try to avoid floating point for performance". Interestingly enough, (I haven't checked this because I don't have access to a Pentium), in one of the graphics newsgroups I read, there was a thread that was talking about integer math vs. floating point math for graphics programming. Several people stated they were surprised that the integer math computations for their 3D applications didn't buy them a lot when they ran on the Pentium, because the floating point speed was so good. I don't claim this is true, but as I said, several people piped up and said the same thing.
#176979From: Russell WilliamsDec 8, 1994 8:24 PM
Wow! That's amazing! Avoiding the floating point seems to be the mantra of all the devs I know. -R
#177018From: Eulogio (DJ) GarciaDec 9, 1994 12:14 AM
And just when Intel puts out an FPU that kicks butt, the shoe gets stuck in the crack … DJ On AP from Queens, the thrill and excitement of the Big Apple Where Santa's always got a brand new bag …
#177038From: Black Belt SystemsDec 9, 1994 1:39 AM
Steve, This is generally true for Pentium, MIPS & Alpha processors. In particular floating point on the RISC chips is astonishingly quick. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#177393From: John DraperDec 11, 1994 2:21 AM
> they were surprised that the integer math computations for their 3D > applications didn't buy them a lot when they ran on the Pentium, … When I make wild guesses about an answer, instead of being accurate, I can do it just as fast in integer or float. <chortle> -larry
#177445From: E.R. BujtasDec 11, 1994 12:23 PM
It is interesting to hear Intel's spin on this problem. According to Andy Grove, the frequency of the bug is once in nine billion floating point divides. However, according to the Intel Pentium Reference, 1 FDIV takes 39 cycles. At 90 MHz, this roughly comes to a floating point error once every 65 minutes. At 100 MHz, it is 58.5 minutes. In other words, what Intel is saying is that the error occurs once every hour. ..Andy from Harding NJ
#177865From: Jim ButterfieldDec 13, 1994 8:06 AM
This morning's news says that IBM has suspended shipping of Pentium-based systems until the floating-point error question has been cleared up. It was not clear from the (radio) news report as to whether this was IBM Canada only or IBM worldwide, but I suspect the latter. The news report repeated Intel's claim of "only one error per 27 years", which gives me an inspiration: I'll waltz over to a friend who has a Pentium system, and slip in the calculation [ (4195835/3145727) * 3145727 -1 ] … doing it TWICE. I'll then assure my friend that, according the Intel, he's now assured of 54 years of error free calculation. 🙂 –Jim
#177874From: Don Curtis/SYSOPDec 13, 1994 11:08 AM
Jim, It's IBM worldwide. Don
#177904From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPDec 13, 1994 5:59 PM
Speaking of Pentium math, a friend of mine mailed the following calculation: 4.999999 / 14.999999 * 3.000001 Which should be about: 1.00000019 Word is the Pentium thinks it's less than one. Whoops. (Haven't tried it myself, yet). Steve Pentium – from the Latin meaning "Almost Five".
#178005From: Jim ButterfieldDec 14, 1994 9:21 AM
Gosh, another specific example of a Pentium math failure. Congratulate your friend for his effort in spending 27 years finding this one. 🙂 [ ..or is it 27,000? Press reports are inconsistent.. ]. –Jim
#177582From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPDec 11, 1994 9:43 PM
<grin!> Someone sent me a fake press release today that said Intel stock was splitting 3 to 1.98347553. 🙂
#177630From: John DraperDec 12, 1994 3:03 AM
Har! 10.0! -larry
#177795From: Andrew CarolDec 12, 1994 10:33 PM
> <grin!> > > Someone sent me a fake press release today that said Intel stock was splitting > 3 to 1.98347553. 🙂 More facts I've dug up….. The Democrats are still shaken over their unexpected losses during the Nov mid-term elections. "I just don't understand!", exclaimed Democratic pollster Robert Dudem. "We took advantage of the Orange County Investment Fund's offer of unlimited use of their recently upgraded Pentiums". He went on to explain that "The numbers kept predicting an overwhelming win. We were seeing 130.234 out of 100 voters supporting us". He expressed sadness that those numbers did not materialize on election day, but fully expected to make good in '96. Experts agree that the PowerPC line of computer chips developed by IBM, Motorola, and Apple were not going to be a match for Intel's soon to be released P6 CPU. At a press conference held at the San Jose Hilton yesterday, Intels chairman, Andy Grove, explained what set the P6 apart. "This is the first CPU ever desiged 100% by it's predecessor. We used the amazing power of the Pentium to design the advanced logic required by the P6". Expected performance figures were also released. Mr Grove indicated that Pentium simulations predicted over 200 SPECmark for the P6 without any power applied! At 3.3v, Pentium simulations indicate 250 SPECint. At 5v, 450 SPECint is expected. The bombshell however was Intel's claim that at 110 volts, over 1000 SPECint was possible! "This puts PowerPC out of the game!" indicates industry analyst Peter Snugman. "Our Pentium validated projections indicate that Intel can sell P6's at a loss and make up the money by sheer volume." Asked to back this up, he answered "Do the math yourself!" ——- Andrew
#177822From: Paul IdolDec 13, 1994 1:01 AM
As usual, a direct hit to the funny bone! Paul – wearing my black construction paper funeral suit
#177870From: John ChangDec 13, 1994 10:09 AM
Andrew, ROFL-PA! OK! OK! Stop it! You're going to kill me! Hey Tim Walsh of AmigaWorld! If you're reading this, you gotta print this stuff in the February or March issue! Regards, John Chang P.S. Ohh! My stomach hurts! ;-}
#177947From: Eulogio (DJ) GarciaDec 13, 1994 9:35 PM
"Ohh! My stomach hurts!" – what do you expect after eating rubber chicken Buffalo wings??? Speaking of AmigaWorld, what's the scoop with Amazing Computing? I haven't received anything in a while. Or am I getting paranoid? DJ On AP from Queens, the thrill and excitement of the Big Apple Where the ice cream truck plays Helter Skelter …
#177958From: Karl F. KugelDec 13, 1994 11:08 PM
You are experiencing the wonders of the US mail system, unless you let your subscription run out. I got an issue a couple of weeks ago. -Karl
#177962From: Stuart CollingsDec 13, 1994 11:10 PM
DJ: According to a post on c.s.amiga.misc Amazing missed their print deadline for the December issue because they had hoped to scoop the news regarding the finalizing of the liquidation. One source says they'll be mailing it late, another says it'll be skipped entirely. We shall see what we shall see. Stuart (who STILL wants his 4000T by March!)
#178018From: John ChangDec 14, 1994 11:47 AM
DJ, >"Ohh! My stomach hurts!" – what do you expect after eating rubber chicken >Buffalo wings??? Touche! ;-} As far as I know, everything at Amazing is fine. Regards, John Chang
#177946From: Eulogio (DJ) GarciaDec 13, 1994 9:35 PM
Can you but love it? Who says there is no God? A great diversion while we wait … and wait … DJ On AP from Queens, the thrill and excitement of the Big Apple Where the ice cream truck plays Helter Skelter …