#Minimum wage
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So the rich are some kind of ogres who don't deserve the money
they have? And the obvious solution is to take it all away thru force
and "give it back" to those who have "truly earned it"?
Or have just a few of the rich worked hard for their money, give
to charities and worthy individuals, invest in responsible
businesses, live respectfully, and treat all others with respect even
if respect is not returned? Or did I just write a fairy tale?
As for your first paragraph, dynamic principles have to be applied
to all tax hikes/cuts as well as all spending hikes/cuts. The
question needs to be: Does "X" proposal make the government money, or
does it lose money? What with the obvious examples of the luxury tax
hike and the windfall crude oil tax both being losses for the
government, when the number crunchers all said that they were to make
money, 40 years static scoring of the tax system has been justly
discredited and it's time for dynamic scoring to be tried. JFK knew
it, RWR knew it, now the Congress can implement it. – Phill Helpin
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> And the obvious solution is to take it [they money rich people have]
> all away thru force…?
I said nothing of the kind. You attempt to belittle my argument by
extending it to absurd, never stated lengths.
The rich by virtue of their riches certainly have (or should have) a
greater sense of obligation to society. To the extent they
voluntarily contribute to charity, great. But, hey, voluntary
contributions are often deductible so when a rich guy give $100K to a
charity, then writes it off on his taxes, he's giving considerably
less, and he may on occasion even give it for his own financial
benefit, as any accountant would tell you.
I've already talked here before about the virtues of a progressive
tax structure, and won't belabor that again. Suffice to say I believe
there's ample evidence that an upwardly sliding scale (not one that
comes anywhere near to taking "all" the richest guy's money,
obviously) is beneficial to society in ways well beyond the impact to
the wealthy. In any event, the middle class, as our largest class,
will still carry the heaviest tax burden, unless of course the middle
class continues to slip toward poverty, as has been the trend the
past 15-20 years. In which case, we'll have a two-tiered society of
rich and poor, and you can bet the poor won't be paying taxes
sufficient to fund defense or anything else.
To the extent that dynamic models reflect real world conditions,
fine. However, as I see it, the GOP gambit now and in the Reagan
eras (the very gambit that Stockman, Stein, Weidenbaum, et. al.,
eventually admitted was a shell game) was to misuse dynamic models to
forecast unjustifiably high revenues. Been there, done that, got
three trillion in additional debt to show for it.
Sorry to come off a bit hot the last time, but I aspire to make alot
more than I do now, but I do not want to be called selfish, mean,
bigoted, homophobic, etc, etc, when I finally get to a comfortable
income. And when I see people using the argument that I would have
_more_ of a social responsibility if I made more money, it strikes me
as hollow. We all have the same responsibility as long as we all
treat each other with equal respect. As shown by a recent Barbara
Walters interview, there are rich people who _give_ away their money
to people that have fallen on hard times not due to their own fault.
Lately I've been hearing that rich people are idle with a lot of
"idle cash" which is an ignorant statement made by lazy-minded
liberals who _have_ a lot of cash. Seems that the richer the liberal
leader is, the more they villify the rich. Curious. – Phill Helpin
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