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#Minimum wage

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#179079From: Phillip A. CochranDec 19, 1994 11:27 PM
So the rich are some kind of ogres who don't deserve the money they have? And the obvious solution is to take it all away thru force and "give it back" to those who have "truly earned it"? Or have just a few of the rich worked hard for their money, give to charities and worthy individuals, invest in responsible businesses, live respectfully, and treat all others with respect even if respect is not returned? Or did I just write a fairy tale? As for your first paragraph, dynamic principles have to be applied to all tax hikes/cuts as well as all spending hikes/cuts. The question needs to be: Does "X" proposal make the government money, or does it lose money? What with the obvious examples of the luxury tax hike and the windfall crude oil tax both being losses for the government, when the number crunchers all said that they were to make money, 40 years static scoring of the tax system has been justly discredited and it's time for dynamic scoring to be tried. JFK knew it, RWR knew it, now the Congress can implement it. – Phill Helpin push Heavies thru Atmosphere
#179205From: Ron LegroDec 20, 1994 10:25 PM
> And the obvious solution is to take it [they money rich people have] > all away thru force…? I said nothing of the kind. You attempt to belittle my argument by extending it to absurd, never stated lengths. The rich by virtue of their riches certainly have (or should have) a greater sense of obligation to society. To the extent they voluntarily contribute to charity, great. But, hey, voluntary contributions are often deductible so when a rich guy give $100K to a charity, then writes it off on his taxes, he's giving considerably less, and he may on occasion even give it for his own financial benefit, as any accountant would tell you. I've already talked here before about the virtues of a progressive tax structure, and won't belabor that again. Suffice to say I believe there's ample evidence that an upwardly sliding scale (not one that comes anywhere near to taking "all" the richest guy's money, obviously) is beneficial to society in ways well beyond the impact to the wealthy. In any event, the middle class, as our largest class, will still carry the heaviest tax burden, unless of course the middle class continues to slip toward poverty, as has been the trend the past 15-20 years. In which case, we'll have a two-tiered society of rich and poor, and you can bet the poor won't be paying taxes sufficient to fund defense or anything else. To the extent that dynamic models reflect real world conditions, fine. However, as I see it, the GOP gambit now and in the Reagan eras (the very gambit that Stockman, Stein, Weidenbaum, et. al., eventually admitted was a shell game) was to misuse dynamic models to forecast unjustifiably high revenues. Been there, done that, got three trillion in additional debt to show for it.
#179324From: Phillip A. CochranDec 21, 1994 1:49 PM
Sorry to come off a bit hot the last time, but I aspire to make alot more than I do now, but I do not want to be called selfish, mean, bigoted, homophobic, etc, etc, when I finally get to a comfortable income. And when I see people using the argument that I would have _more_ of a social responsibility if I made more money, it strikes me as hollow. We all have the same responsibility as long as we all treat each other with equal respect. As shown by a recent Barbara Walters interview, there are rich people who _give_ away their money to people that have fallen on hard times not due to their own fault. Lately I've been hearing that rich people are idle with a lot of "idle cash" which is an ignorant statement made by lazy-minded liberals who _have_ a lot of cash. Seems that the richer the liberal leader is, the more they villify the rich. Curious. – Phill Helpin push Heavies thru the Atmosphere